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Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by [deleted] »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #388
kyriakos wrote: post #194

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I am slowly feeling like I should move on from HN. I used to find comments much more mature in the past and learned a lot. Lately I predict the general trend I'll see in the comments before even opening the page.

I've had the same feeling. I've also noticed what feels like an increase in shallow, emotionally driven "gotcha" replies that are almost always from post-2020 accounts. But I have to wonder if it's because as I have tried to quit Reddit and other mass market social media, I'm browsing this site a lot more. So I'm seeing more comment sections in general and clicking more threads than I would otherwise. It's even in th…

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Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by jiggawatts »

lmm wrote: post #415
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #206

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I mean, Google Translate has been basically completely AI powered for 5+ years, and it's one of the most used products in the world... The majority of what you see on SERPs has been AI generated for a decade, and that's Google's main money maker. This idea that Google sucks at AI and is clearly a million miles behind is intriguing. Google is currently the company everyone loves to hate like MSFT was 5-10 years ago. T…

> I mean, Google Translate has been basically completely AI powered for 5+ years, and it's one of the most used products in the world... It's also the single clearest example of a product that's been left behind by the "AI revolution" - while Google may still have the numbers (like Yahoo Search did back in the day), DeepL is what serious people use. > The majority of what you see on SERPs has been AI generated for a…

And DeepL translate is blown out of the water by Chat GPT 4.

I tested GPT 3.5, GPT 4.0, Google Translate, and DeepL on some "difficult" sentences, and GPT 4 was the only one that could translate them correctly. Not only that, it could do style shifts in non-English languages, such as "make this more formal", "less formal", "idiomatic", etc...

I suspect that GPT 4 is so good at translation is because it understands what it is translating at a near-human level.

I like this snippet:

"John Bear from Bear Stearns was bearish about bear pelt futures on the Bear City bear markets."

Which GPT 4 can round-trip from English -> Hungarian -> Chinese -> English again and outputs this:

"John Bell comes from Bellsterns and has a very strong bearish sentiment on the future value of bear skins in the Bear City bear market."

Interesting to note that it used a sounds-alike-to-Chinese-speakers "Bell" for "Bear" in proper names. Other than that, this is pretty good, which is very impressive. DeepL and Google Translate shreds the first step and have no hope on a round-trip this long across such unrelated languages. For example, DeepL outputs some gibberish about bear claws (the pastry) and bear cubs!?

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Post by diceduckmonk »

devjab wrote: post #41
m0zzie wrote: post #33

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Heh, yours and other comments here disparaging I/O as "business" or "corporate" talk these days come across as quite ignorant - and I don't mean this in a nasty way, more in a literal way. It seems perhaps you're missing the fact there are many different styles of talks for many audiences. At every I/O there is a "keynote" and a "developer keynote", and similarly there are business / product talks and developer-focus…

> live in a world where they have no choice but to use Google SDKs and services Which world is this? I’m genuinely interested not trying to be rude.

Maps ?

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by dmix »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #206
motoboi wrote: post #204

So funny to see google stressing EVERYTIME that they have been using AI for years. Dude, you were seated in the pot of gold and let your organizational disfuncionality block you from really using that. And now you come trying to get the crown of AI? Catch up and them we can talk.

I mean, Google Translate has been basically completely AI powered for 5+ years, and it's one of the most used products in the world... The majority of what you see on SERPs has been AI generated for a decade, and that's Google's main money maker. This idea that Google sucks at AI and is clearly a million miles behind is intriguing. Google is currently the company everyone loves to hate like MSFT was 5-10 years ago. T…

Google could also integrate their translation service into their consumer AR product that's coming out in 2024 to do live translations, directions, and other real-time image "AI" analysis stuff. A ChatGPT type assistant built into your day-to-day life could be interesting. If not for Q&A other use cases we don't yet know about.

https://www.techradar.com/features/google-glass-2-everything...

Apple is apparently announcing their AR glasses in June

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-04-02/when-i...

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by dang »

actuator wrote: post #406
dang wrote: post #382

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> HN tends to bias towards pro Apple Possibly the most reliable phenomenon I've observed as a mod is that people believe HN is biased against what they like and in favor of what they dislike. This shows up most often with politics - for a recent example see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35734307 ("HN leans left") followed by https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35734354 ("HN leans left?") and https://news.ycom…

Oh no, I didn't mean moderators are biased. I don't think that is the case at all. I was making the point of the HN users. Specially the characteristic of downvoting and negating criticism in this case. You are right though, because I strongly feel about the anti competitive issues Apple indulges in, maybe I visit those threads more and tend to notice them. Although, I think there is a positive bias as well, which I…

I mostly understood that you were talking about the community, not the mods, but now that you mention it, I confused the two in my reply. The first two paragraphs were about the community but then the bit about refs was about the mods. Interesting—thanks for pointing that out!

> maybe I visit those threads more and tend to notice them

You may be the first person who has ever indicated that they've gotten that point!

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by latchkey »

shmoe wrote: post #411
latchkey wrote: post #317

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March 13, 2013, a decade ago and RSS effectively died along with it. Being upset at this for 10 years is right up there with being upset that Gopher protocol never took off.

Ok, consider me pissed about gopher too then I guess? I mean, you knew the exact date and all didn't you?

I looked it up.

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Post by danielscrubs »

lordswork wrote: post #112
danielscrubs wrote: post #100

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I understand him. Maybe Im cynical but everything I see on your link looks like something a technical sales person would come up with… How easy is it to onboard people? Easy! Are we helping save the world? Yes! Can we build it ethically? Yes! Are those questions really what’s on the mind of the developer? Where is the: we have a way to revolutionize the debugging experience when doing ML(for people with PhDs) talks?…

I think you are quick to judge the talks by their title. They are all technical from what I can tell, and many cover topics that are of interest to PhD researchers. For example, the distributed large model paper covers several papers' worth of research done at Google and how to utilize their implementation in JAX. ML debugging is just one topic among many. I wouldn't dismiss the entire lineup because Google didn't ha…

Sounds good, I’ll check it out. Is it the “ML tips and tricks” one?

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Post by dougmwne »

Spivak wrote: post #404
dougmwne wrote: post #327

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The ability to write a polite and on-topic email used to be a valuable skill to demonstrate. Not so much anymore.

I currently use it for that, it's honestly a great anger translator.

It took me many years to have enough emotional intelligence to neutralize anger or frustration I was feeling out of my professional communications. What a wonder that you are doing it with a click!

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by badtension »

BMorearty wrote: post #233
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #220

It's really nice to have a keynote that isn't KUBERNETES ISTIO BLOCKCHAIN. Lots of interesting AI integrations with existing products. The search and maps improvements are really exciting.

I missed the search and maps improvements. What did they say?

Kind of hard to summarize, you search "show me X that is good for kids age N and not far from Z", you get a list and ask "plot it on a map".

Also: birdeye view of suggested direction paths that shows a better feeling for them.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

derefr wrote: post #251
revelio wrote: post #111

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Maybe "A journey to protect the Great Barrier Reef using ML"? The video is five minutes long, is basically a nature advert complete with stirring music, has a bizarre cartoon in the middle of it and is all about an attempt to control the reef's population of starfish. We're told that the starfish are doing great thanks to there being fewer predators and more nutrients in the water, but that this is bad because "it's…

> Why are corals better than starfish? Corals as a habitat host a lot of species, creating biodiversity. People don't really seem to care about corals by themselves; rather, they care about a few hundred species of pretty-looking tropical fish that exist nowhere other than within coral reefs. Anything that kills enough of the coral, is likely to make all of those very pretty fish go extinct. (I've never heard about s…

> I've never heard about starfish as a threat to corals;

it's a well-known thing.

2023: https://www.scubadivermag.com/9-8-million-program-to-protect...

2020: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2258714-coral-eating-st...

2018: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/05/world/australia/starfish-...

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