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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by elil17 »

walkhour wrote: post #177
pjc50 wrote: post #142

(content warning) It's not commonly discussed, but suicide seems to be a "sociogenic illness" in that reporting on suicides as such can cause more suicides. You may have noticed this in the reporting on celebrity deaths; a young person who "dies suddenly" may be suicide, but news reports will tend to avoid saying that out of concern for the sociogenic effects.

For the reason you discuss you should delete your comment. Airplanes crashes rise when the media discusses these topics: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1746810 .

It's not clear to me that discussing the effect causes the effect. It's an effect that's been specifically documented in response to media coverage of suicide. The consensus from suicide prevention orgs seems to be that compassionate, interpersonal discussions about suicide prevention are probably helpful. Not sure if that's backed by research.

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Post by badRNG »

screye wrote: post #414
Invictus0 wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious: What is the sexy baby voice? And where can I see this weird sounds and then normal voice experiment?

This is a good place to start - https://omny.fm/shows/revisionist-history/from-inside-voice-... Lake Bell asks the person to speak in their highest note and then their lowest note and then yodel for a couple of times. Then to asks her to just speak, and the voice that comes out much closer to what we associate with a 'normal' woman's voice. I guess having to manually change tone to such extremes resets the body's abi…

> resets the body's ability to recover this incredibly specific learnt behavior, and the person momentarily reverts to a clean sample of their own voice.

What is one's "own voice?"

Nearly all speech patterns, dialects, accents, patterns and phrasing is learned from one's social circle. Speech itself is "learnt behavior." It makes sense that those engaged in a subculture or online community may take up the way people talk in that sphere of social influence. Before hand, speech patterns evolved apart from one another due to geographic distance. In the modern era, it doesn't seem unreasonable that one would have greater influence from an online community than a local one.

I don't see any reason to privilege a specific, arbitrary way of speaking to be "normal" and one's "own voice" and others to be learnt behavior one "recovers" from.

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Post by at_a_remove »

deanCommie wrote: post #367
incomingpain wrote: post #358

This is the next big area of research in social sciences. You must research this for national security reasons. Early research came in with the idea of mirror neurons but it went further. Statistically you're always going to have 'hot spots' for suicide. # per capita etc. So governments trying to help setup suicide hotlines. Not much uptake on this. So they advertised the suicide hotline and suddenly has mass suicide…

> How about all the kids suddenly becoming trans? Please do not repeat this right-wing talking point. It is a moral panic, and it causes real harm to kids who need genuine mental health support who are instead being dismissed as being part of a trend. "all the kids" are not suddenly becoming trans - the incident rates in society are still extremely small. All rises in incidents of transgenderism are easily explained…

You know what else causes "real harm to kids"? Telling them that puberty blockers are like, totes reversible and have zero side effects.

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Post by my-god-hn »

screye wrote: post #395

I wonder how similar this is to (sexy baby) valley girl upspeak & vocal fry. Many young women picked this up from the Kardashians/Paris Hilton and now cannot "turn it off". We know this is not their 'natural' voice because if you ask them to make weird sounds and then a normal voice, then their normal voice sounds completely different than the sexy baby voice. The weird thing is that the women themselves are surprise…

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Post by theGnuMe »

lisper wrote: post #355
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #34

From my reading of the article (which is hard to parse not being an expert) it seems there is a German YouTuber with Tourette's who also on his YouTube shows displays non-tourette's tics. And these tics are being copied by other young people watching his shows, and being presented as Tourette's until they arrive at the clinic where these experts go "hang on this kid does not have Tourette's but does have tics similar…

It's plausible [1] [2]. I am by all accounts neurotypical (except perhaps for a touch of Aspergers) but I have an involuntary tic. Every now and then (like once or twice a week) a memory of some incredibly stupid thing that I once did -- sometimes decades ago -- will pop into my head and before I can re-establish conscious control I'll make a vocalization that sounds like a cross between a whimper and a sneeze. It's…

Interesting.

I am wondering if you've tried EMDR after the event happens? So you have the thought that triggers the tic and then you'd focus intensely on the event and do the EMDR stuff. That may reduce the intensity of the past event and reprogram your nervous system to not trigger so intensely on it.

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Post by zozbot234 »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #405
Eumenes wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is mass psychosis at this stage. Friend is a teacher in a very wealthy suburban area and 50%+ of the class identifies as non-binary (apparently). We're supposed to believe this is organic and totally normal?

Non-binary simply mean that you do not identify with the two currently accepted gender identity or that you do not perceive gender as a binary system but as a spectrum. That's it. It does not mean that the person suffers from gender dysphoria or that they want to transition. For many, it's simply a way to describe their existing social behavior. It is also an umbrella word that houses many other identies. I'd also ch…

"Non-binary" is commonly described as a trans identity, and the word "trans" is etymologically related to "transition". If there really was nothing else to it than the truism that "gender is not merely a binary system but a spectrum", no one would be talking about non-binary as an identity of its own - since this has been a consensus POV for decades.

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Post by Scarblac »

geocrasher wrote: post #412
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have SAD and this happens to me several times a day. Though it's not so much that it pops into my head, more that my train of thought leads me there by association. In a lot of ways SAD feels like a form of PTSD where instead of a single extremely traumatic experience, or many extreme experiences(known as complex PTSD), it's a huge amount of slightly traumatic ones. So it's sort of like a flashback. One of the thin…

Are you talking about Seasonal Affective Disorder? Or can you define what SAD is if not?

From context my guess is Social Anxiety Disorder.

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Post by vinegarden »

mnsc wrote: post #52
ccity88 wrote: post #33

What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

Since there is a school of thought that gender to a great extent is socially learned behaviour the idea that you by learning more about gender transgression would "create" a desire that "I would be more comfortable in 'that gender' over there" is not far-fetched although I'm not aware of any research. The issue is mostly by those who pathologize that state of not being comfortable in ones "gender assigned at birth",…

Your comment reminds me of a very interesting interview with Dr Az Hakeem, a psychiatrist and psychotherapist who set up group therapy sessions for gender dysphoric patients: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5ycqNoareUT6Y6s85LrJSF

He would include in these groups people at all stages in their transitions, so those considering transitioning further could be informed and challenged by those who had gone the whole way with surgery and all.

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Post by filoleg »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #372
indigochill wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There may be a relation to military conditioning. I spent just a single week at a military academy introductory program in high school and when I returned home I was "uncontrollably" (if I thought about it I could avoid doing it, but if I was on autopilot it happened by itself) squaring my corners and calling my family "sir" and "ma'am". The thing was, those patterns were my entire life for that week, and they were v…

Reminds me of how Americans spend a couple of months in the UK and return with an affected British accent. Before social media, there were movies that molded society. Bollywood and more recently K-dramas/K-pop have influenced an entire generation. Often these were used for shaping a younger generation as a long term strategy for a desirable adult demographic. To a certain extent, it is happening in our American publi…

> Reminds me of how Americans spend a couple of months in the UK and return with an affected British accent.

As someone who moved to the US in his mid-teens (from a non-english-speaking country), that's quite literally me with British movies.

After watching a few over a weekend, Mondays are usually rough, as I end up saying random words in British accent and immediately correcting myself.

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