I remember when Trump was racist for saying this.
The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns
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Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns
#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every single Muslim majority country sent ministers and parliamentarians there, invesigated for months, and have not found any such thing. And yet, the exact same set of countries who lied to entire world about nonexistent Iraqi WMDs are claiming it to be true. ... 100 year old atrocity propaganda. Nothing more different than how the British smeared the Germans by saying that they raped babies in Belgium. Get out.
Sorry, you mean some of the same countries who are extraditing Uyghurs to China? https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/08/middleeast/uyghur-arab-muslim... I realize I'm inconvenient for you and your party line. I plan on continuing to be so.
> Sorry, you mean some of the same countries who are extraditing Uyghurs to China?
Yeah, the same countries who extradite known terrorists to the country they committed their terrorist acts at. Much better than CIA's rendition flights that kidnapped whomever CIA wanted without even asking that country's government.
> I realize I'm inconvenient for you and your party line.
I should have apologized for disturbing your US State Dept. propaganda first...
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#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The EU GDPR is probably the best example And that's precisely why there is a trade war in between the US and Eu since early 2005. Because the Eu started making up its own rules and standards. TTIP, ACTA, PIPA were all attempts by the US to bring the Eu to heel. All failed. And voila - there is a proxy war that deprives the Eu out of cheap oil and gas, leading to literal deindustrialization of the Eu. https://www.bl…
You're asserting way too much causation where it's just correlation.
For those who started following the events in 2005, there is no causation.
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#424Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, you mean some of the same countries who are extraditing Uyghurs to China? https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/08/middleeast/uyghur-arab-muslim... I realize I'm inconvenient for you and your party line. I plan on continuing to be so.
> Sorry, you mean some of the same countries who are extraditing Uyghurs to China? Yeah, the same countries who extradite known terrorists to the country they committed their terrorist acts at. Much better than CIA's rendition flights that kidnapped whomever CIA wanted without even asking that country's government. > I realize I'm inconvenient for you and your party line. I should have apologized for disturbing your…
When someone plays the terrorist card and at the same time condemns the former Dubya Bush administration one has to question the validity of their accusations.
And btw even if they were "terrorists" that doesn't legitimize genocide
Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns
#425Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Sorry, you mean some of the same countries who are extraditing Uyghurs to China? Yeah, the same countries who extradite known terrorists to the country they committed their terrorist acts at. Much better than CIA's rendition flights that kidnapped whomever CIA wanted without even asking that country's government. > I realize I'm inconvenient for you and your party line. I should have apologized for disturbing your…
When someone plays the terrorist card and at the same time condemns the former Dubya Bush administration one has to question the validity of their accusations. And btw even if they were "terrorists" that doesn't legitimize genocide
The problem with that statement is that China isn't carrying out genocide.
This would be the first "genocide" in history in which the targeted group continued to grow in size, and in which it saw its life expectancy, income and educational levels increase.
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#426Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about Russian social media (I think vk got sanctioned but not livejournal)? What about, given the other thread, Qatar? Should Orkut (Brazilian) have been allowed? My point is that the rules should target what it does rather than simply "China=Bad", since that offers a way back into compliance with the rules. However unlikely that actually is.
> What about What about that is that the US congress allocated $500 m for anti-China propaganda in its last budget and all the free, knowledgeable Americans who are littering this thread with their McCarthyist Cold War comments are just taken in with the 'latest thing' from their government propaganda. Nothing more different than how Saddam was the 'greatest threat to civilization' in 2003, or Gaddafi was in 2011 etc…
> I see this as a way in which Angloamerican denizens direct their frustrations to external 'enemies' by taking their attention away from the problems at home, which they are powerless to fix. They vilify and demean chosen 'enemies', and direct all the criticism that should happen at home towards those enemies.
This reminded me of the two-party system...
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#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Sorry, you mean some of the same countries who are extraditing Uyghurs to China? Yeah, the same countries who extradite known terrorists to the country they committed their terrorist acts at. Much better than CIA's rendition flights that kidnapped whomever CIA wanted without even asking that country's government. > I realize I'm inconvenient for you and your party line. I should have apologized for disturbing your…
When someone plays the terrorist card and at the same time condemns the former Dubya Bush administration one has to question the validity of their accusations. And btw even if they were "terrorists" that doesn't legitimize genocide
There are actual terrorists on this world. There is actual democracy on this planet too. American establishment having usurped both terms and having hollowed them out in its discourse does not mean that they do not exist elsewhere.
> genocide
That genocide is as real as the Iraqi WMDs. Or democracy-loving Syrian 'freedom fighters'. Or the 'Libyan Opposition'.
Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns
#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What about What about that is that the US congress allocated $500 m for anti-China propaganda in its last budget and all the free, knowledgeable Americans who are littering this thread with their McCarthyist Cold War comments are just taken in with the 'latest thing' from their government propaganda. Nothing more different than how Saddam was the 'greatest threat to civilization' in 2003, or Gaddafi was in 2011 etc…
> I see this as a way in which Angloamerican denizens direct their frustrations to external 'enemies' by taking their attention away from the problems at home, which they are powerless to fix. They vilify and demean chosen 'enemies', and direct all the criticism that should happen at home towards those enemies. This reminded me of the two-party system...
> This reminded me of the two-party system...
Yes, well spotted - the two party system definitely employs the same mechanic: all the evils are projected out to the 'enemy', and all the wrongs in their own group are ignored. This provides group cohesion and allows them to avoid cognitive dissonance and taking responsibility for the results of their own choices.
If there were more than two viable parties, or, god forbid 3-4 viable parties like in many European countries, this would be near impossible to make work. You cant vilify 2-3 other groups as the 'ultimate' evil at the same time...
Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns
#429TikTok as-is presents a massive attack surface for (d|m)information and worse. And the version available in the US is highly addictive with numerous bubble creating feedback loops. The amount of engagement and time spent on the app is incredible. The creators know this and provide an alternate version called Douyin used domestically which optimizes for educational content and has additional rules/safeguards https://w…
> The creators know this and provide an alternate version called Douyin used domestically which optimizes for educational content and has additional rules/safeguards
... Douyin is edited like that out of the goodness of Bytedance's hearts to reduce addiction or is it regulatory pressure?
Reading the article:
> Douyin, much like TikTok, is particularly popular with young audiences, and so China's top regulator, the Cyberspace Administration of China, has urged it to "create a good cyberspace environment for the healthy development of young people".
> Last month, under-18s in China were banned from playing video games during the week, and their play was restricted to just one hour on Fridays, weekends and holidays.
It seems awfully like the China's version of the FTC decided that this ain't cool anymore, and Bytedance saw the hammer of legislation coming so they made changes..
The easiest answer here, is get the US government to not ban TikTok, but make it a rule that under-18s cannot access these applications, content must be educational, and limit screen time by banning these apps during school times, maybe only allowed for 2 hrs on the weekend etc.
However, I do remember hearing a lot that China is a facist dictatorship when these rules were made. I wonder if the same will be said for the US if they decide to make such rules.
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#430Earlier quoted context omitted.
I view it more like a vice (smoking, gambling, etc) and as mentioned we need an actual thoughtful policy if we think it’s a security issue. Banning one app at a time is not the way.
Almost vices are regulated. > Banning one app at a time is not the way. True, let us ban *all* apps from countries that (1) ban US apps and (2) seek to influence US citizens.
> True, let us ban all apps from countries that (1) ban US apps and (2) seek to influence US citizens.
My view is the "app" is just a client for information sharing. It would be like putting up a firewall or banning traffic from certain TLD's. Seems ironic that the solution is to mimic the problem.