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By this logic, it should be illegal / a breach of contract for you to run an ad blocker, since the company may not make money? Should you also be forced to look at ads and not switch channels while they're on TV, with the channel being free to cut access if they find you haven been looking at the ads they serve? This logic really bends over backwards to support FB's and similar business models.

Rather than just blocking the request for the ad, if an ad blocker allowed the requesting site to make the request for the ad but then just sent the data to the browser's equivalent of /dev/null, I'd be fine with that as long as I never had to see/hear the ad. This is of course ripe for abuse, but that's just synonymous for digital advertising in general. I don't consider it any different than me hitting mute on the…

That would still waste bandwidth.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Twitter bought Tweetdeck for $40 Million in 2011.

Exactly right - I meant the "real" TweetDeck of 2008-2010 lol :) Multiple columns of custom user groups, so straightforward. Oh yeah, no ads!

"Yellow" Tweetdeck.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Why shouldn't I be able to uae the software of my choosing? If i habe an account and have properly authenticated, the client I use is my choice. You can't reasonably make the "go elsewhere" argument with the monopoly hold FB has on much social data. We need to choose yo regulate them and others to force interoperability, or at the very least allow comcom explicitly (competitive compatibility).

So you want to consume their content, use their servers, but not display their ads?

They are free to cease offering unpaid accounts if they wish.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Probably has some javascript handler or something?

it was easy to test by turning off the adblock and it definitely doesn't work.

I just checked in Firefox on desktop - and their privacy policy links to a real page. I thought maybe it was recent, so I checked on the Internet Archive as well. Nope, it's been there since at least September.

Are they doing something weird and non-standard that may not work everywhere? Quite possibly. Is it a dummy link that goes nowhere, per your claim? Absolutely not.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Is this the narrative now? Tr*mp is a terrorist? Are we holding the same standards against previous presidents, too? Is drone striking Americans without due process also a terrorist move? Or are we only going to focus on the one president that said mean things on Twitter?

*that tried to lynch VP, Congress via tweets

So we're just making stuff up now? This tweet doesn't exist.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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And using their servers and resources without generating them any revenue is not abuse? They clearly don’t want you to run a third party app without ads, yet you feel entitled to it?

If I access your API I’m using your server because you offer it publicly. That is not abuse. The distinction is about whether you should be able to offer something publicly, taking advantage of public infrastructure to do so, and then make demands about what the public do with that. Companies want to do the electronic equivalent of putting copyrighted media on a billboard in a public square then claiming you need to…

When you signed up for an account you agreed to those terms, the api is not public/unauthenticated.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Unless you're a monopoly and then you can do whatever you want because your customers have no alternative. Which Meta is (well, it's a duopoly with Google). Anyway Meta's customers, and the only entities it cares about, are large ad buyers. None of them will give a crap about this random app and these random human beings getting banned. This has zero impact on their ability to continue writing checks to Meta and cont…

There are plenty platforms out there besides meta; numerous places, fox comments, stormfront forums, gab, truth social, 4 chan, reddit, your own blog, twitter. No one can say that there aren't other platforms.

Meta is a monopoly. It doesn't matter that other platforms exist. Those platforms don't make a lot of money (at least in the US) and whether you're a monopoly or not is about money. (You also don't need 100% - essentially if you have a lot and you have the power to distort the market, you're a monopoly.)

The business of social media is ads. In the US the vast majority of social media ad spend goes to Meta. Thus, monopoly.

Google and Meta hold a duopoly over digital ad spending in general.

The FTC agrees and is suing Meta for monopolizing social media and the "metaverse." Anything could happen with these lawsuits but they wouldn't be doing this if they didn't think they had a good case.

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Are you using any browser extensions that do something with website content?

No, and that isn't equivalent

> No

You either hate yourself or you don't use the Web too much.

> that isn't equivalent

It absolutely is. There's a service out there that's meant to communicate with applications running on my computer. What my computer does is 100% up to me. If this means your business model that relies on locally running code is hurt, that's something you should have factored in into your decision to choose that business model.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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They are alternatives because your friends can also switch services. The problem is that you are not willing to pay either money up front or with watching ads. That is not a meta problem, that is problem with your personal preferences no matter how you want to spin it. There are many alternatives available right now and they didn’t disappear like your bad analogy. What you’ve written is clearly disingenuous because y…

> The problem is that you are not willing to pay either money up front or with watching ads. > clearly disingenuous because you’re not willing to pay for SMS Why are you saying this?? I am fully willing to pay that much. josephcsible also sounds fully willing to pay that much.

You’re right. I misinterpreted one of your comments

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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> Cambridge Analytica then arranged an informed consent process for research in which several hundred thousand Facebook users would agree to complete a survey for payment that was only for academic use. > However, Facebook allowed this app not only to collect personal information from survey respondents but also from respondents’ Facebook friends.[13] In this way, Cambridge Analytica acquired data from millions of Fa…

Yes, the reason this happened was that when a user authorized the Cambridge Analytica app, it would have the ability to view information about all of that user's friends. Sound familiar?

No, not even remotely similar. A user authorized CA to see their data for the purpose of a research suvey. CA got more data than the user thought they were giving them. With a custom client, the user is giving the client their account for the purpose of accessing all of Facebook through it. The client is getting exactly what the user is giving them and it makes perfect sense that it needs it.
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