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But web2 is going (really) great once you depend on Cloudflare. And it is certainly not re-centralizing the whole internet with a provider that is a single point of failure. /s
I can't tell if you're being cynical or actually mean it. Care to clarify so I could take the mandatory contrarian approach?
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Probably not many users who need the performance and can handle unexpected failover. There would also be the issue of setting the policy defaults effectively. Most users wouldn’t benefit from this footgun. If you’re serious, you could probably automate this right now with your DNS provider and uptime monitoring.
Typically CF _is_ the DNS provider though, right?
As I said to the OP elsewhere, he should be doing something like anycast to multiple CDNs if this is critical.
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Imagine having to pay for a service
Cloudflare's pricing has issues. My company was paying $20 a month. We were heavily depended on CF, we'd have been happy to pay more. But... the one feature we wanted was for our accounts team to have their own login so the ops team didn't have to download invoices every month. Nope, that one feature required an enterprise plan which they quoted $4,000 a month for.
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It's hard at scale.
Isn't everything harder at scale? That's not a barrier for entry though.
You can't build a Cloudflare competitor in AWS/Azure/Linode/DO/etc. You need your own data centers. Multiple of them across the country, ideally around the world if you want to serve the whole world.
This is insanely hard.
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Well that makes your company more responsible than my credit union.
Our key customer facing services are a 99.995% uptime (and a total of 2 or fewer incidents per year of "any length"), which means once you start concatenating services with 99.995% SLAs you aren't there. How that SLA measures a 2 second outage for some customers is a separate thing, and sort of shows how meaningless these things can be on the internet (if you lose service for 10% of your potential customers is that a…
Their main site went down for about 20 hours a couple weeks ago because their hosting provider went down. They deployed an HTTPS only static site in its stead, so at first blush it looked like they deployed nothing. Great when you're trying to find contact information hosted on that site.
Their online banking site leveraged Cloudflare, so obviously they just rode that outage out with no notifications, etc.
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I can't tell if you're being cynical or actually mean it. Care to clarify so I could take the mandatory contrarian approach?
/s means "end of sarcasm".
So yeah, how is a CDN centralizing your infra? You could just have your CNAMEs point to a different provider or directly to your gateways. Or you could even go down the multi CDN path, and have someone like ns1 automatically redirect your CNAMEs to an alternate CDN on a per-geo basis to overcome local failures.
It's just another SaaS component in your system. You could self host if you're willing to take on the ownership challenge, and at certain scale it would even be more cost effective.
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Strongly agree. Such whitewashing puts all previous incident reports in doubt - can I trust CF summaries of outages, or did they rewrite that history too.
I understand your point, but CloudFlare generally is very transparent, including root cause analysis and their CTO reaching out directly. It could also be a mistake or not so well thought about instead of assuming bad intentions.
he can also add an [edited] on that entry, among other things
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Cloudflare going down is one of the things which keeps me awake, My main complaint about Cloudflare is that they are very good at everything they offer that we've become reliant on them for everything.
Happens to everybody sometime. AWS seemed to have a major outage a couple of times a year for a while there.
It's common to see CF being the DNS/CDN for applications across AWS, GCP, Azure etc. So perhaps CF being down affects more applications than individual cloud platforms?