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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by davidjytang » Sun, Dec 05, 2021, 4:18 PM UTC

LeonM wrote: post #137

wokwokwok wrote: post #10

There’s a real opportunity here for JB. If they’re prepared to give this away for free, and make money off of upselling folk on hosted remote dev envs (or licensing the server side to cloud providers) then this could actually compete with vscode. They basically don’t have any other product that is competitive with vscode. …but, I’m skeptical they’re willing to make the jump to freemium based on their other SAS produc…

I've used Jetbrains products for a long time, both as a student, and later professionally. Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. In my experience, VSCode is not competitive with Jetbrains products. Their products come with su…

My company was a straight up full JetBrains shop. To the best of my knowledge we didn't have the need for any support from JetBrains at all. Do you mind sharing which aspect of support were you refering to?

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by davidjytang » Sun, Dec 05, 2021, 4:42 PM UTC

wpietri wrote: post #270

agilob wrote: post #74

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Over year ago JetBrains released a post showing they don't understand why VSCode eats their market: > Still, we don’t deny the information could be a bit skewed – even with the weighting we give to our survey results – given that this is from the JetBrains State of Developer Ecosystem survey, and one of JetBrains main products is IntelliJ IDEA. However, that is not to say that this is not totally unreasonable, as if…

> People moved from IntelliJ to VSC because it was faster, simpler and language-agnostic, Did many people move from IntelliJ to VSC? From what I've seen, VSC is mainly used by people who previously haven't used a full IDE. It's also not clear to me that they're "a jumping on a simple-editor train". Given that with one click you can turn on "fully functional IDE bringing smart completion, refactorings, navigation, deb…

Yeah my company canceled JB Toolbox subscriptions because there was no noticeable team productivity gain for using JB after we tested out and compared with vscode for a year.

We used CLion and Webstorm. At the time, CLion did not have remote debug but VScode did, which triggered the trial. Switching from webstorm to vscode for webdev was trivial.

From our team perspective, using JB didn't produce noticeably faster turnaround or less bug. It was no brainer to forgo the subscriptions and just use VScode.

For a while, the only thing affected was developer comfort. But everyone adapted very fast and surprisingly, new members to the team are also most likely familiar with vscode already.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by davidjytang » Sun, Dec 05, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

nlitened wrote: post #253

999900000999 wrote: post #219

My issue has never been the actual cost of JBs products, but rather I have to go and justify myself to a manager to get a license. That's something which of course is not a factor when you're using open source stuff, but maybe I'll still buy this for my personal use. Vs code was supposed to be a lighter weight visual studio, but at this point it's hell bent on becoming just as bloated.

I suppose something like: “Hey pal, you pay me 400k a year. How about we spend 200 bucks a year to make me 10% more productive?”

10% more productive part is hard to prove. My company tried switching between webstorm and vscode, there was no discernible difference in team productivity.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by midoBB » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 9:02 AM UTC

kskrygan wrote: post #386

midoBB wrote: post #382

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Code with Me working or not is completely a tossup. I ended up paying for another service completely despite me having access to Code with me because it was never reliable. Me and the other user were having issues with it connecting 1/3 times and that's never fun having to waste time fixing a tool.

OUCH! could you please specify in what region and when have you experienced such a terrible connection?

My coworker was in North Africa and I was in France.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by kaba0 » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 6:48 PM UTC

atombender wrote: post #417

kaba0 wrote: post #354

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I don’t know why Jetbrains doesn’t already switch to a newer jdk. I found this tutorial (only the vm options part) to make intellij really snappy: https://iam.georgecox.com/2021/11/24/making-jetbrains-ides-r... It basically changes the jdk to version 16 (I used one from the openjdk website, not azul) where the new low-latency ZGC garbage collector is available and increases the default heapsize. Now I have a quite la…

I wish this worked. I tried switching to Azul Zulu 15 (macOS), but that rendered the IDE completely non-functional, and I had to switch back.

Then maybe just try switching to G1GC (available in the default jetbrains runtime) and set the ms and mx memory settings to a bit higher. Maybe even experiment a bit with the max pause time setting.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by atombender » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 9:16 AM UTC

kaba0 wrote: post #425

atombender wrote: post #417

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I wish this worked. I tried switching to Azul Zulu 15 (macOS), but that rendered the IDE completely non-functional, and I had to switch back.

Then maybe just try switching to G1GC (available in the default jetbrains runtime) and set the ms and mx memory settings to a bit higher. Maybe even experiment a bit with the max pause time setting.

The only JVM that comes up on my Mac is JBRSDK 11, not sure if it has G1.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by gjvc » Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 11:44 PM UTC

gjvc wrote: post #295

citizenmatt wrote: post #238

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Please note that the JBR is a custom build that contains a number of important changes and fixes, and it's not recommended to replace this. For M1 support, it's much better to use an M1 compatible JVM and .NET runtime. Rider 2021.2 is an Intel build, because when it was released there was no M1 compatible .NET Runtime. Rider 2021.3 has an M1 build, and makes a big difference. It's currently in preview ( https://www.j…

Liberica offers an M1 JVM https://bell-sw.com/announcements/2021/03/12/Liberica-on-App... I wonder if JetBrains has some incentive to keep Mac users happy at the expense of others, because there is no justification for the unacceptably bad performance of CLion, PyCharm, and IDEA with a version 11 JDK on Linux, given how much better it is on JDK 15/16. I have never seen any indication that they have are going to addre…

This YouTrack item

https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-3729

tells that JetBrains have been working on a JDK17 version of JBR for 2022.1, which amazingly, is almost upon us. I am looking forward to seeing what it's like!