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Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by ganoushoreilly »

mzfr wrote: post #415
garyfirestorm wrote: post #409

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Are you guys (other commenter) are professional pentesters? How do you become one? Do you freelance or work full time 8-5?

Depends actually, if you just want to do pentesting then probably do some certifications like OSCP, CompTIA, etc. Once you get those its quite easy to land a interview for pentesting. Initially job may not pay good but you can build your network and then probably start doing contract works. Most of the pentesters I know make more from freelance/contract work then their jobs. Because mostly those contract/freelance wo…

I would add that the more experience and time you have on the job those contract rates go up exponentially. I would also recommend if you're free lancing that you still do it under an LLC and purchase a liability policy. Too many risks.

For example. In 2012 average consulting hourly rate I charged $350. Stayed booked. 2016 $550. Stayed booked. In 2018 I had a couple really large clients that paid $1500+hr

There's gold in the hills, the trick is to figure out how to sell the pans, water, plots of land, and transportation to them. If you can work in complementary services or referrals for all the above, you just made yourself even more valuable.

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by jollybean »

cableshaft wrote: post #136
jollybean wrote: post #87

HN is vastly concerned about privacy and screaming about FB transgression on these issues etc., but the top post here is about disseminating private information of 10's of thousands of people.

You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. It's out there now, might as well examine what you can learn from it and discuss it. FB is a business making conscious and deliberate decisions and can be called out on it in part because things like this can happen. I mean they just made such a massive goof that they completely took down their own site, other massive sites they owned, and locked their own employees out…

Information is subject to Supply and Demand like everything else.

We don't publish the names of victim of certain crimes, and they are not widely known even if they are leaked, thus significantly limiting the damage. Information about how to make 'violent things' with easily acquired materials, certain recruiting videos for 'very bad groups' aka ISIS etc. - all of this is out there on some level but because it's actively not propagated, the likelihood of it having an impact is reduced.

We shouldn't be publishing individual's income, or the private source code of normal, legit private groups.

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Post by sbarre »

NineStarPoint wrote: post #327
sbarre wrote: post #238

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> I just meant twitch users pay for the sake of giving money to their favorite streamers rather than paying for a product. I still think this is a narrow view. So you don't consider a performance to be a product? How is going to the movies different from going to a baseball game or a concert or a comedy club? If those are like movies, and movies are like groceries, are we not back to the same point that people are ex…

I think strip clubs are a fair comparison. All of the things you listed, you pay money for access to the experience. The money changes hands before you get in the door. For both strip clubs and twitch, getting in the door is free. In both cases what you pay money for is the attention of the streamer/stripper in the moment you are giving the money (or just because you feel like giving money to them for the performance…

I'm not sure I agree that "paying money to get attention" is the majority of the monetary interactions on Twitch.

Or at least, maybe that's a welcome side effect but not the main motivation for a lot of people.

I am guessing here, I have no data to back this up, but I feel like a lot of people sub out of gratitude and as a show of support, and less to draw attention or get some kind of shout-out..

I do watch a decent amount of streams on Twitch across a few categories, but I've never subscribed or donated to any of them, so it's possible I'm wrong here.

Also I did make the distinction between paid performances and "pay what you can".. That was indeed my point, that Twitch differentiates itself by being an essentially "pay what you can" service where the majority don't pay anything, but lots of people still manage to make money giving their work away for free.

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Post by eric-hu »

ryathal wrote: post #339
meibo wrote: post #53

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Amazon has even more money to throw at studios than Epic, so they can just force themselves into it.

It's more than just throwing money at it. EA tried and failed to separate from Steam. Epic might succeed, but it's not going to be because of money, but because Fortnite let them capture young gamers before they got into Steam. Wherever a user gets a critical mass of a library built up first is going to be the winner.

Do you remember a time when people were predicting this deep pocketed company Microsoft would bomb with their Xbox? It’s not a sure thing that Amazon could dislodge Steam, but there’s precedent.

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Post by rawbot »

junon wrote: post #130
meibo wrote: post #53

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Amazon has even more money to throw at studios than Epic, so they can just force themselves into it.

The problem isn't the product. I was going to compete with Steam at one point and we had objectively better systems and a better client. The problem was the critical mass issue - no users, no publishers, neither want to join without the other. Amazon will definitely get publishers but will users join? That's not a given.

By better systems, I hope you are also including, to name a few: Remote Play, Remote Play Together, Game Streaming, Screenshot capture, Controller API that also works in Desktop, a project to help Linux compatibility with zero effort from the game devs.

I think people just consider Steam as a store, but it has become much more than that.

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Post by mftb »

freeflight wrote: post #275
swarnie wrote: post #74

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Wagies donating to millionaires is probably the funniest thing i can imagine.

I don't think it's funny, I think it's sad because most of it comes from the emotional exploitation of parasocial relationships. Something we used to scoff at in places like Asia, now even casual relationships are utterly commoditized and we taught a whole generation of young humans how that's the most normal thing in the world.

Agreed. I recently started exploring Twitch and in the first hour of just sitting there watching it, I was surprised how aggressively, exploitative it was. The fact that it's young people there exploiting makes it even more gross.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

wizzairflyer wrote: post #396
stevefan1999 wrote: post #309

Here's a link to the data: bWFnbmV0Oj94dD11cm46YnRpaDpONUJMWjZYRUNORUhIQVJISk9WUUFTNFc3VFdSWENTSSZkbj10d2l0Y2gtbGVha3MtcGFydC1vbmUmdHI9dWRwJTNBJTJGJTJGb3Blbi5zdGVhbHRoLnNpJTNBODAlMkZhbm5vdW5jZQ==

I'm very curious to have a peek but isn't downloading stolen material a crime? And wouldn't this be compounded by the fact that with torrent systems you are also helping redistributing it further?

Possibly, but more importantly it is also just plain immoral. It's disturbing how readily this community wishes to access, analyze, copy, and redistribute this stolen information. This same community that bemoans corporate exploitation of data now getting its rocks off creeping on stolen data.

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Post by sf_sugar_daddy »

mdoms wrote: post #372
irae wrote: post #317

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Sports and Entertainment has always been a way to leap frog hard work. I am not saying at all it is not deserved. I am quite ok with them earning millions. But it does make a lot of us pull this comparison, both in achievements for humanity and in effort spent in their endeavors. I personally never played or wish to play the fame lottery, I prefer the hard work path.

Ah yes, professional sports people, always finding a way to not do hard work.

If you knew anyone who plays a sport at the professional level you would not be saying this

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Post by WorldMaker »

tyrfing wrote: post #399
ryathal wrote: post #339

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It's more than just throwing money at it. EA tried and failed to separate from Steam. Epic might succeed, but it's not going to be because of money, but because Fortnite let them capture young gamers before they got into Steam. Wherever a user gets a critical mass of a library built up first is going to be the winner.

> Wherever a user gets a critical mass of a library built up first is going to be the winner. This is where they've been throwing money at the problem: giving away a ridiculous amount of games for free. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/12/22380895/epic-games-store...

Useful to note that Prime Gaming has been doing the exact same strategy (for longer), backfilling users' catalogs by throwing a lot of money in games giveaways. Once the games have been added to your Amazon/Twitch today you can download an EXE installer from a hard to find Amazon page or use a really bland "Twitch Launcher" app that clearly is the first stage towards "Vapor" or whatever the final brand would be. For a lot of Amazon Prime users that pay attention to the Prime Gaming page month to month and click the bright shiny green "Claim" buttons whenever they show up, Amazon can just go "look at all the games you already 'own'" when they start actually marketing it as its own store.
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