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Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by laken »

lrae wrote: post #362
0x500x79 wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a few outliers in this data. Some streamers with smaller viewer bases are making more because of exclusivity deals, so I imagine there will be a little bit of drama.

Examples? And what makes you think that one-off payments for exclusivity are in that data? Because they're not.

Different contracts between Twitch partners have different levels of ad density, as well as differing amounts of cuts of subs/bits taken by Twitch. It's pretty negligible though, and could have been kinda estimated previously. For example, Hasanabi is claimed to have one of the lowest ad density requirements on twitch (1 60 second ad per 1 hour of broadcast, plus 3 minute ad at end of broadcast) which does line up with him making less than multiple streamers with less subs than him (and with probable higher ad densities required by contract).

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Post by mdoms »

irae wrote: post #317
sydthrowaway wrote: post #286

Couldn't help but contrast this to another item on the front page.. the irony of video game streamers making many times more than the lifetime earnings of Nobel Prize winners :)

Sports and Entertainment has always been a way to leap frog hard work. I am not saying at all it is not deserved. I am quite ok with them earning millions. But it does make a lot of us pull this comparison, both in achievements for humanity and in effort spent in their endeavors. I personally never played or wish to play the fame lottery, I prefer the hard work path.

Ah yes, professional sports people, always finding a way to not do hard work.

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Post by raxxorrax »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #337

Hi ya'll, I have a question. My wife and I can't wrap our brains around the fact that payment info was leaked alongside source code . Any theories how this happened? Former pentester btw. I saw a lot of interesting things during my time, but I can't recall seeing a payment database next to a source code repo. Did their s3 bucket get popped or something? Even if their github enterprise got popped, that doesn't explain…

I guess if you have access to a build server that you might spy out some access credentials to other venues. Not impossible at least or perhaps some sort of service account was compromised that had access to both. Doesn't mean there was an immediate proximity of these system, although that might also be possible.

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Post by throwrqX »

h_anna_h wrote: post #111
fc373745 wrote: post #20

>the leak was intended to “foster more disruption and competition in the online video streaming space” because “their community is a disgusting toxic cesspool”. the irony in that it was leaked to 4chan

Not really, I would go as far as to argue that it is less toxic than reddit, twitter, and even HN.

This is patently ridiculous. The biggest boards on 4chan, particularly /pol/ have widespread support for the genocide of Jews, black people, Muslims and women. Well maybe not all women, a more common view is instead that they should be enslaved to men. This kind of correction should give an idea of what kind of ideas are popular there.

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Post by darklycan51 »

jsiepkes wrote: post #7

> An unreleased Steam competitor, codenamed Vapor, from Amazon Game Studios The choosing of the name Vapor is probably no accident when the main competitor is Steam. Just like when IBM launched the "Eclipse foundation" which was arguably based on one of Sun's most prized possessions; Java.

Anyone who played new world private alpha new this, the first alpha (closed) had an amazon games Epic Games like client, they choose to remove it for new world public beta and release but I knew they had been working on it because of it

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Post by andrewzah »

Loughla wrote: post #248
nodejs_rulez_1 wrote: post #165

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It would be good to have a streaming service where simps could be called out as such.

Real question - why does it matter to you? If that's how people want to spend their time and money, and it makes them feel good, even if they look foolish, what does it matter to you? I'm really bad at woodworking, but I do it a lot, and I've spent a crap load of money on it. Does that matter at all to anyone else in the world?

Our societies do regulate how people can spend their time and money in certain regards. I don't think that's necessarily wrong. Smoking is banned, some countries have labeling for unhealthy products, and so on. Things can end up affecting other people in the long run, so I don't think it's unreasonable to contemplate addressing stuff like this.

I think the main issues overall are encouraging parasocial relationships, and also the problem of selling sex to kids. I'm no prude but I think it raises some ethical questions when you have gaming content and sexual content in the same spot. If I had kids, that would matter to me.

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Post by jollybean »

Barrin92 wrote: post #175
jollybean wrote: post #87

HN is vastly concerned about privacy and screaming about FB transgression on these issues etc., but the top post here is about disseminating private information of 10's of thousands of people.

at least that table above doesn't reveal much you couldn't have estimated from their official twitch page to begin with and I don't really consider earnings that private (neither do most of the top streamers by the way who tend to display their sub count on their streams). People on HN probably would very much oppose leaking private DMs but transparency on celebrity earnings is not exactly that big of a deal. I'd act…

'Earnings' is absolutely private information.

So is source code.

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Post by rvnx »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #273
jandrese wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That works out to $200k/year for each employee, which after you account for benefits is a solid middle class income, assuming they don't live in downtown San Francisco or something. It's basically a regular job at that point.

I hate to break it to you, but 200k/yr is in the top 4% of earners in America. That's not "middle class" by any stretch of the imagination.

It is, according to HN alternate reality

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Post by [deleted] »

boringg wrote: post #282
tiborsaas wrote: post #220

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Are you kidding? 4.8M / year is stellar revenue. Much much more than most people make in a lifetime. It's even more interesting that for 50k gross, you have to beat this guy "DEMOLITION_D" at the #4432 place.

That is literally the top earner in the community made up by a team of people. The media/VC etc community has been hyping e-gaming as the new sports domain. That said the top salary for a sports player is $168M / year for one player (Lionel Messi) and number 99 is $35M/year (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_sports_contrac... ) It really shows how much of a step change there is between the sports…

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Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by lrae »

laken wrote: post #371
lrae wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Examples? And what makes you think that one-off payments for exclusivity are in that data? Because they're not.

Different contracts between Twitch partners have different levels of ad density, as well as differing amounts of cuts of subs/bits taken by Twitch. It's pretty negligible though, and could have been kinda estimated previously. For example, Hasanabi is claimed to have one of the lowest ad density requirements on twitch (1 60 second ad per 1 hour of broadcast, plus 3 minute ad at end of broadcast) which does line up wi…

Yeah, this has nothing per se to do with exclusivity though. (As in, XX months exclusivity to Twitch. For those who don't know, every common partnered streamer already is exclusively bound to Twitch for livestreaming content. If he wants to stream somewhere else, he loses his partnership. (And yes, there are exceptions, old contracts, ...))

And "premium contracts" to keep talent were offered pretty much since day 1, just looked quite different back then. (Mainly just differentiated in sub share. For the last 2-3 years they also include better ad payouts (and a minimum of ad time), boni for minimum amount of hours streamed, etc.))

And... every streamer who only cares a bit about his business already knows, at least for the most part, what kind of contract other streamers are on.

So don't think there will be any (real) drama - but I also didn't see or hear of any extreme unexpected outliers.

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