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Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

ipnon wrote: post #279
johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #140

I have enjoyed smoking Cannabis for decades, but a recent bought of financial difficulty coupled with a desire to get programming last week has shown some teeth on the cute little bubbly image of Cannabis in my mind. I started smoking more (due to stress) and trying to complete a new project (financial difficulty) and it was just a nightmare. It's noticeably more difficult to concentrate and retain new information wh…

Math problems become more difficult after smoking cannabis. This has been replicated in many psychological studies. It seems we cannot smoke joints and program well all night in the same way we can smoke cigarettes and program well all night. That being said it is much easier to program in the morning after a night of smoking cannabis than a night of drinking. My quest to find the best combination of drugs for progra…

>My quest to find the best combination of drugs for programming has been long. Just vaping nicotine and drinking strong tea seems to be near the pinnacle. Sometimes we miss the simple solutions right in front of our eyes.

I tried that a decade ago... ended up in the Cardiologist with a heart monitor for a week because I was blacking out just stepping out of my programming chair.

After they took a look at the data, they just told me to cut down on caffeine and nicotine.

Stimulants are not always the simple solution for everybody.

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Post by techbio »

southeastern wrote: post #284
rhizome wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When this kind of thing has come up before ("pot causes mental illness"), IIRC it turns out more that people with schizoid disorders are self-medicating with pot before getting diagnosed, rather than having taken harder drugs, alcohol, etc. The classic reversed-arrow of causation.

That could be a part of it, but there is a documented effect of marijuana "triggering" mental illness in those who are susceptible to mental illness. For a certain portion of the population marijuana use will directly lead to the onset of mental illness

But aren't the scare quotes necessary to the statement? Ie. it can appear that a "trigger" is actuated, because we do not know what is happening and reach for metaphor?

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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

fsociety wrote: post #360
johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #140

I have enjoyed smoking Cannabis for decades, but a recent bought of financial difficulty coupled with a desire to get programming last week has shown some teeth on the cute little bubbly image of Cannabis in my mind. I started smoking more (due to stress) and trying to complete a new project (financial difficulty) and it was just a nightmare. It's noticeably more difficult to concentrate and retain new information wh…

That makes a lot of sense and is smart. Very introspective. I want to provide my anecdotal evidence as a counterpoint, with the understanding that weed can trigger anxiety in a really damaging way and it affects everyone differently. I’m not in a financially stressful situation, but have been under a lot of performance stress in recent jobs. I found the best routine for myself was meetings during the day + whatever c…

Interesting that you say that.

I have noticed great programming ability on Cannabis in the evenings... that's how I raised myself in a nutshell.

I think the productivity is directly related to the sheer lack of stimulation the night-time environment affords you. No light, no sounds, nobody awake, nothing else to do. You can code or sleep, that's it.

I used to stay up all night, getting very high, and programming very well... but society wouldn't stand for it.

Sometimes when I do smoke my joint to go to sleep, I get crazy good ideas and motivation and code great for a few hours.

But then I am forced to wake up at "a decent hour" (society) and the next day is pure shambles/no-work.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by techbio »

SquishyPanda23 wrote: post #189
macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

> It could very well be that marijuana puts you at higher risk of schizophrenia More likely, marijuana use accelerates the development of schizophrenia among people already at risk. > it could also be increases in the percentage of cases that actually get diagnosed, etc. This is generally a valid stock response to these sorts of studies. But it strikes me as a bit unlikely that there was previously a large amount of…

Might be broadened by the overlap of symptoms. Schizophrenia in particular is a broad classification of different kinds of similarly presenting thought disorders. A person exhibiting textbook symptoms but with the cause more directly attributable to use and social disruptions might have a vastly different prognosis and course of treatment than a more genetic or organic case.

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Post by throwawaysha »

oblib wrote: post #92

I have some experience with this. My first wife was diagnosed with schizophrenia after birthing a stillborn baby. This was about 14 month after we had our first child. One of her doctors insisted the cause was marijuana, but she really did smoke much at all. I did most everyday though and one of the first questions he asked was if we used it. I told him I thought it was caused by losing the baby and he insisted that…

Odd question: is your first wife Jewish (specifically Ashkenazi)?

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Post by code_duck »

mullingitover wrote: post #283
code_duck wrote: post #259

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It would be interesting to know more about the hypoglycemia link. I contracted type one diabetes as an adult, somehow, and was hesitant to try anything for the first time after that including alcohol or cannabis. I wear a continuous glucose monitor and as far as I can tell, cannabis has no effect on my blood glucose.

There's this study published in Diabetes Care [1], "Efficacy and Safety of Cannabidiol and Tetrahydrocannabivarin on Glycemic and Lipid Parameters in Patients With Type 2 Diabetes: A Randomized, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled, Parallel Group Pilot Study". > RESULTS Compared with placebo, THCV significantly decreased fasting plasma glucose (estimated treatment difference [ETD] = −1.2 mmol/L; P [1] https://care.diabe…

In the case of type 2 diabetes patients, reducing fasting plasma glucose is exactly what you would want to do since chronic hyperglycemia is the major issue in that condition. It’s not clear if it would work the same for type 1 or non-diabetic people.

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Post by watwut »

bjourne wrote: post #396
watwut wrote: post #329

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Peer reviewed studies disagree and dismiss each other all the time. Peer reviewed studies are often "propaganda". Peer review guarantees certain minimal bar and that your general structure is sane. Reproducibility and actual results are not necessary validated. The larger scientific discussion where study is confirmed is after peer review. On HN, they are specifically disagreed with super often. Especially anything "…

It's sad that science denial is now the norm even on Hacker News.

First, nothing changed, HN people were always treating studies that way.

And second, it is not scientific behavior to treat a single study as gospel. It is scientific when consensus emerges from many different studies and when those are reproduced and verified.

Pearl clutching over "peer-review" mostly suggests people don't know what peer review can or can not do.

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Post by jbuhbjlnjbn »

bjourne wrote: post #396
watwut wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peer reviewed studies disagree and dismiss each other all the time. Peer reviewed studies are often "propaganda". Peer review guarantees certain minimal bar and that your general structure is sane. Reproducibility and actual results are not necessary validated. The larger scientific discussion where study is confirmed is after peer review. On HN, they are specifically disagreed with super often. Especially anything "…

It's sad that science denial is now the norm even on Hacker News.

This specific study contradicts other studies before that came to a different conclusion. It's kind of a hen-egg problem, in which I firmly believe this study got it wrong.

No "science denial". Questioning of this specific study and disregarding your appeals for authority.

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Post by raxxorrax »

macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

Additionally if you use these recreational drugs, you are constantly hiding from law enforcement or are at least weary of it. You also try to hide it and it become a permanent secret you carry around. I think this could certainly influence paranoia.

To my knowledge schizophrenia is hearing voices and similar hallucinations, which are beyond trust issues.

But from experience with weed smokers, I certainly have the impression that there might be some truth to the story.

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Post by jbuhbjlnjbn »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #380
jbuhbjlnjbn wrote: post #357

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So you don't want to check some facts, you want to stick to your personal opinion, is that what you're saying?

It's your obligation to prove me wrong, not me prove myself wrong.

You would not prove yourself wrong. You would change a viewpoint in light of new information.
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