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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by vetinari »

nguyenkien wrote: post #316
nguyenkien wrote: post #222

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But if you want get android app from playstore, you still need google account. Same for iOS, and it's even worst than android, since you can't sideload apps

@cronix, @BiteCode_dev, @gruez: I know we can sideload, but it's inconvenient. Fdroid have limited number of apps, and store like apkpure is security risk. Most of regular people just get an Google account.

However, we are not discussing what's more or less convenient, but what can you do and what are you forced to do. Big difference.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by k12sosse »

ryan29 wrote: post #389
Aerroon wrote: post #191

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> * A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup I refuse. There better be easily accessible versions without this requirement.

I need a local account. I set up my PC with multiple profiles. I start with a local admin account and then I add Microsoft accounts for my day-to-day work. I have one profile logged in to my personal Microsoft account. Another is logged in to an Office 365 account that belongs to someone I do work for. Etc.. Why is MS encouraging people to have one giant admin account with a work or school account connected? That's s…

Windows professional for professionals. Windows home for grandparents. Always has been this way. I'm ok with that. The tiers of OS have different requirements and features. Expected.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by vetinari »

symlinkk wrote: post #192
mpfundstein wrote: post #189

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just get Pro

No. Why am I paying a company more money to fix a problem they caused? I think I’ll just get a Mac.

That's exactly happened when I disabled GWX in Windows 8 Updater for about third time.

"I'm too old for this sh*t", and by the next day, a new Macbook Pro was on my table.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by k12sosse »

MereInterest wrote: post #409
dmt0 wrote: post #358

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Microsoft is continuing their long tradition of screwing up every other version of Windows. 98SE - ok, ME - bad, XP - good, Vista - bad, 7 - good, 8 - bad, 10 - good, 11 - can safely skip it and wait for 12

I thought Windows 9 was the good one that would have come between Windows 8 and 10. Because 10 certainly isn't a good one (looking at you, fantastically broken start menu search that needs frequent re-indexing).

Version parity with competitors. It's stupid but a thing. At least they didn't straight up call it Windows X.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by usrusr »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #380
dean177 wrote: post #227

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- Windows have rounded corners - Teams integrated into Windows - A new widgets fly out for weather, news, etc. (appears this will require you login with a Microsoft Account) - A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup No thank you

- A new widgets fly out for weather, news, etc. (appears this will require you login with a Microsoft Account) Sounds daft and pointless to me. Are they mistaking their software for Apple or Android? Is Linux a usable alternative? IMHO, Windows 7 is my favorite OS, also XP, I don't love Windows 10 but Windows 11 sounds even less exciting, maybe MS should make some kind of "special edition" Windows XP that can support…

Again, Microsoft seems to be genuinely incapable of understandng why anyone could havev ever liked the Windows already available. As if that was some crazy unthinkable impossibility. Perhaps at some point between 60 and 90% market share you should stop trying too hard to be like the others and consider the possibility that not everything you've done is wrong?

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Post by Darvokis »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #186
DoctorDabadedoo wrote: post #86

I wish MS stopped doing redesign of their interfaces every couple of years and just fixed the broken stuff the introduced somewhere along the way. - Settings / control panel inconsistency and the other dozen places you can change configs for a single thing - Telemetry, ads and system crap - Package management and sandboxing And the list goes on.

Most of those are actually features. 1. Old control panels: Drivers may overlay or modify the window, so you can't really change them (don't forget: Windows supports many obscure devices like DAWs and heavy machinery, many things Linux users have never even considered connecting to a PC, and all of those have custom drivers from the device manufacturer that Microsoft doesn't control) 2. Telemetry, ads: Yes, this is a…

> 1. Old control panels: Drivers may overlay or modify the window, so you can't really change them (don't forget: Windows supports many obscure devices like DAWs and heavy machinery, many things Linux users have never even considered connecting to a PC, and all of those have custom drivers from the device manufacturer that Microsoft doesn't control)

The bigger issue is that a fuckload of native Windows settings can only be changed through the old Control Panel dialogs. I hate the new Settings app, but they need to make up their minds about what they want to do instead of arbitrarily splitting everything up between the new shitty hotness and the old dialogs.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by k12sosse »

XzAeRosho wrote: post #383
aksss wrote: post #372

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Who uses home edition anyway? Your parents? It's not suitable for anyone that may want to lift the hood.

They mostly come bundled with laptops, which your parents and most users will buy without even caring about it.

Exactly, and if you do care, you can upgrade to pro without a wipe within the OS.

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Post by encryptluks2 »

userbinator wrote: post #395
xxpor wrote: post #374

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So when is MS going to start using it for basic OS stuff? :)

Hopefully once it's actually usable, which might be a long time away --- the last I looked, it didn't even support dependencies or uninstalling...

Well, I guess you haven't looked recently.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by rowanG077 »

tryptophan wrote: post #382
philliphaydon wrote: post #262

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Looking at windows 11 I might move back from linux.

I tried Linux mint recently and was impressed. My parents seem to use it without issue. As long as you don’t game, need to use office or some other windoze software it seems like a viable choice.

Games should work fine on Mint. The only reason I can't recommend Linux for most people is that there is no usable office suite. And no the libre and open office really are not usable.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by yyyk »

satysin wrote: post #94

So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

IMHO, The main things of interest are the 40% smaller Windows Updates, TPM 2.0 requirement and Microsoft account requirement.

* Windows Updates need to be solved even more comprehensively (get rid of winsxs or use smaller backing, adopt sane file locking so that reboots are less required, etc.). Still any improvement can justify a new version by itself.

* Per wiki, TPM 2.0 was released in 2019. 2019 wasn't that long ago. Does that mean older computers will be unable to run W11? Many more computers will end up running Linux eventually.

* The account requirement is unfortunately. Really, MS didn't get enough users using the old method?

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