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Re: Poor in Tech

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> Do other people say hi to every single person you see in the building every day? Yeah, pretty much.

Lol, idk if that’s true? I’ve been poor working with poor people and we did not all say hello on a regular basis

I'm doing it, always have. A lot of other colleuges never do it.

I would argue that this has just nothing to do with poor/rich or where you work.

Perhaps its just random how your work environment or your collegues are.

Re: Poor in Tech

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I identify with this article more in a meta-level of how much mental bandwidth one loses to the overhead of having been born poor:

All those things you worry when you didn't came from a well-to-do family rob mental processing time, thus making it harder to use your time productively to escape further and faster from poverty.

Rich people for example probably never ever entertain those worst case thoughts someone who was born poor usually obsess from time to time, like, "what if this recession I saw on news deepens, I am laid off and can't find a job for months, maybe years? will I become homeless? will my family have food?".

This is mental processing time that wealthy people can use to be creative, to learn something new, to have fun, but for you, it is about a couple hours of extreme anxiety where you can't concentrate enough even to work.

Re: Poor in Tech

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>"I am so poor" - sent from my $1200 Macbook. Typical tech bubble bullshit. She doesn't even realize what real poverty is.

Agree. Strongly dislike this American sentiment of self victimisation. If you are born in USA you are not poor. If you are born in USA and work in tech, you are not poor even relative to other Americans. I mean most of the world (including me) dream of having an opportunity to migrate to USA, because living there is enormous privilege to have

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Re: Poor in Tech

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> You're better off being relatively slim on junk food than being fat on good quality good. This has consistently proved false. Being 'underweight' is associated with significant excess death; being 'overweight' is associated with a lower death rate than 'normal' BMI: e.g. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/20073... (many other sources are available)

Can you help me reconcile the apparent contradiction between the title and the results? Title: > Excess Deaths Associated With [...] Overweight Results: > Overweight was not associated with excess mortality (−86 094 deaths; 95% CI, −161 223 to −10 966).

I'd translate this title into non-academic English as:

"Are excess deaths associated with being overweight?" (The result is: no - or actually yes, but negatively).

Re: Poor in Tech

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I read the whole thing trying to find something I could relate to, as I grew up in a place that was a proper third world country as recently as in the 90s. This appears to be American poor - which I think is in its own category, because comparing to American rich it's just so much worse off. It's not that she's necessarily materially poor. It's just that there's no one around who can even begin to understand her pred…

What did poverty look like for you? I am also from somewhere very different from this, though I can't say I grew up poor, we did okay.

Re: Poor in Tech

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"Three paychecks is a month and a half of income (rent and two car payments by my fevered calculations, which never stop)" Pay attention to those last three words. This is very important. I've been on both sides too, and to me those words are like a slap in the face: stark reality. If you're poor enough (relative to the costs of your life) you are at a constant exhausting deficit because you CANNOT stop calculating a…

Tl;dr Poor people (and racial and ethnic minorities, and women, and queer folk) are not dumb. They just have to turn their equal cognitive resources towards things other (and more fundamental to survival) than their magnum opus/business idea/etc. Those who overcome this are HIGHLY effective, but it's not fair that we ask it of them. That's not how an effective or efficient or just society runs, and we leave money on…

People don't give credit to luck enough imo.

Re: Poor in Tech

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post #273

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Tl;dr Poor people (and racial and ethnic minorities, and women, and queer folk) are not dumb. They just have to turn their equal cognitive resources towards things other (and more fundamental to survival) than their magnum opus/business idea/etc. Those who overcome this are HIGHLY effective, but it's not fair that we ask it of them. That's not how an effective or efficient or just society runs, and we leave money on…

No, the solution is to acknowledge that they are dumb and therefore focus resources with the assumption that they are dumb. USA assumes that poor people are smart, Europe assumes poor people are dumb. The European way is much better, and yes poor people in American are dumb, just like they are in Europe.

Is it possible this is a multi-variate problem and there are other systemic variables that better explain the differences in income?

It seems folly to boil something as complex and social as economics to a single input like IQ to draw such strong conclusions

Re: Poor in Tech

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"Three paychecks is a month and a half of income (rent and two car payments by my fevered calculations, which never stop)" Pay attention to those last three words. This is very important. I've been on both sides too, and to me those words are like a slap in the face: stark reality. If you're poor enough (relative to the costs of your life) you are at a constant exhausting deficit because you CANNOT stop calculating a…

I’ve been extremely lucky moving to the Bay Area to be someone who has not failed. I grew up poor. Today, I have enough money for rent and bills, I still think and worry about them. The endless what if’s are a lifetime long curse, and there is no cure.

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Re: Poor in Tech

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I only got into tech a bit over five years ago and that was the first time in my entire life I had been above the (demonically low) US poverty level. There is absolutely a difference in how rich and poor people treat poor service workers. It's not that poor people treat them better per se but it's different. Poor people can be cruel to each other because they are all suffering, crab in a bucket shit. Rich people most…

"Rich people mostly ignore poor people because visible poverty makes them uncomfortable so they look away. They hate themselves if they see our humanity so they try not to." It has to be amazing having such a simple world model. Or better yet, being able to know the deepest ideas and thoughts in other people's minds and to explain their behaviour. Going back to seriousness, and leaving sit-com cliches aside, do you h…

No I'm not getting into this. I've done this so, so many times and there's no value for anyone.

You, or someone else, will move the goalposts, or find some hyper specific counterexample and claim it disproves the entire thing. Or claim that the poor aren't poor enough, or someone else somewhere has it worse so their misery can't be real.

It's based on my experiences and there's no bibliography for my life. I explained the experiences and why I think they're relevant. If it doesn't work for you then it doesn't.

From experience in similar conversations I expect this to be taken as a refusal to argue in good faith. The thing is though I don't want to argue. I said what I said and I stand by it. I have nothing to add.

Re: Poor in Tech

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Thanks, I got the wrong reasoning, it's not that she might steal, it's that people that has never been poor don't think stealing is an option.

Yep, exactly! Because why would someone steal when they can just go on Amazon and have the thing delivered?

I believe it depends on the value of the object and the chances of getting caught. If you steal a macbook in an office full of cameras is a bad deal. If you steal a macbook every other day in an office without any camera is a good deal.

And the second option is exactly what happened in an office I worked on, at some point enough people complained that their macbook was stolen and they installed cameras.

Funny thing in the same office my lunch was stolen once a week and that just became a joke during stand-ups "did they stole your lunch today?"

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