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Strapped startup declines acquihire, Apple poaches key engineers; NP, says court [pdf]

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Re: Strapped startup declines acquihire, Apple poaches key engineers; NP, says court [pdf]

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Post by jiveturkey »

Animats wrote: post #2

"That evidence does suggest the engineers drew on knowledge and skills they gained from Hooked to develop a product for their new employer––but California’s policy favoring free mobility for employees specifically allows that. (See Whyte v. Schlage Lock Co. (2002) 101Cal.App.4th 1443, 1464 [rejecting the “inevitable disclosure” doctrine, under which a claim for trade secret misappropriation is stated if an employee’s…

That has almost nothing, if not nothing entirely, to do with why SV is in California. Also, are you stating that no other jurisdictions, at all, have this in place?

SV is in California because William Schockley moved to California. It's that simple.

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Post by jasonv »

arghwhat wrote: post #302
dragonwriter wrote: post #226

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> But then we lead into #2, your comments on the recipe for success. Among your central points, literally placed in the center, is "great weather". That can't be copied. You have the weather you have. What should the other 99.999% of the world do? Well, the weather probably is a comparatively small factor, but nonreplicable geographic factors are actually a major factor in the success of most economic hubs, including…

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though. Way too hot, hazardous weather, impossible to get around (crazy traffic congestions, no useful public transporation, bicycling being suicidal), have to go to Home Depot to get real Coca Cola. Overall quite "meh".

Silicon Valley became SV before most of that.

Now it's SV despite all that.

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Post by LoSboccacc »

pc86 wrote: post #389
avereveard wrote: post #190

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Italy literally invented universities, gets comparable climate and unpaid non competes are not enforceable. no silicon valley equivalent in sight tho so I strongly suspect the whole thread so far it's projection and wishful thinking.

Inventions from centuries past notwithstanding, what universities does Italy have that are in the same league as Stanford and Wharton?

is going to be very hard to directly compare public and private universities.

alumni average results and achievements will vary a lot, because of open access, and population size and economic stagnation would screw other metrics like employment rate, wages etc. other metrics like staff size are pointless as well, unless maybe proportioned by participation over population size, and then one would need to carefully define what each university catchment region it.

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Post by sgerenser »

emteycz wrote: post #363
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #286

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It already exists, there are tariffs for American vehicles entering Europe and the US for instance. >losing access to every major OS overnight That wouldn't really be in America's interest would it?

I don't think we would lose access to the Finnish operating system Linux, also

I’m assuming this is a joke but Linus Torvalds is a US citizen, and the Linux Foundation is based in the US.

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Post by dctoedt »

ryandrake wrote: post #403
Meph504 wrote: post #280

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Short answer what does your employment contract say? I live in the southern U.S. Non compete clause are 100% enforceable here, and have a ton of case law backing them. I generally won't take a job if it requires me signing it. I have more than 20 years of experience, and I personally feel I am far more likely to bring knowledge to them rather than then providing it to me.

Anecdotally, regarding IP assignment policies: All large and medium-sized companies I've worked with in the Bay Area have a section in their employment agreement that says something to the effect of "We own everything you work on, using our equipment or yours, on our time or on yours, on company property or at your home."

California law restricts employers' ability to claim ownership of inventions made by employees on their own time.

(Self-cite: A flow diagram with statutory citations at https://www.oncontracts.com/docs/Who-owns-an-employee-invent... )

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Post by pcwalton »

cycomanic wrote: post #205
travisjungroth wrote: post #169

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Your comment reminds me of this tweet: https://mobile.twitter.com/zackkanter/status/130493861651941... The cognitive dissonance humans are capable of is amazing. To actually say “We would never allow that in our town.” in the pejorative while flying back from a trip specifically meant to learn how to be like another town . If you’re not going to act on an author’s central point, don’t try to do any of the other parts…

If it really was great weather, great colleagues, weak nocompetes why has Australia not managed to create the same culture. AFAIK nocompetes are pretty much unenforceable in Australia, they have better weather than california and lots of people like to live there, so what is missing? Honest question.

California is part of the US, and the US was one of the (at the time) two world superpowers. The economic advantages that come from being part of the US (the US simply being a much larger country high among them) are hard to overcome.

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Post by fennecfoxen »

cortesoft wrote: post #411
fennecfoxen wrote: post #346

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"Workers" are abundant. It's the human capital associated with the workers that's expensive. Engineers moving to California should be considered like other capital flows: there are unlikely to be major flows into places where their flexibility is unduly impaired by regulations structured to favor existing, powerful incumbent interests (in this case, the noncompetes).

High quality software developers are not abundant.

And becoming good at writing software is an investment in your human capital.

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Post by kamaal »

hemantv wrote: post #415
kamaal wrote: post #220

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Indian government jobs are just something else altogether, there is literally no accountability, or reward/punishment for good/bad performance. Promotions are almost always based on seniority, nepotism and political influence. The whole system runs on insane levels of corruption at nearly every level. And on top of these are there cream pensions. Its really like the stuff of the dreams/nightmares based on what you ge…

There is no pension except military anymore

That's only recent. But they have a default NPS enrollment, which is more or less the same.

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Post by rocqua »

mceldeen wrote: post #383
ChuckMcM wrote: post #147

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Exactly correct. I tried to explain this to a public official from an east cost town who was flying back from the Bay Area trying to "learn the secrets" of creating an innovation hub. When I explained this situation (non-competes are illegal, stuff you do at home is yours) to him he literally said "That's crazy! Why would anyone hire anyone if they knew they could walk out the door to a competitor, or even to start a…

I have always deeply deeply disliked non-compete clauses. The only thing that I could come up with is that it’s akin to indentured servitude. But this is much more eloquent way of putting it in language that the businesses and politicians would understand. Thank you.

I like the variants that say "non compete last at most 1 year, and company pays 100% of your salary whilst the non-compete is being enforced".

They seem like a decent middle ground between all parties interests.

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Post by sagarm »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #402
kyawzazaw wrote: post #377

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> no useful public transporation it's united states overall, so it doesn't really matter.

Combine it with the >> crazy traffic congestion It matters. I once pulled out of the Sutter-Stockton garage and sat in traffic for a full hour without getting to the end of the block .

Why were you driving in downtown in the first place? It's one of the few parts of the city that are well served by transit.
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