I'm resigning from my job at Facebook • Hacker News Board

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by peruvian » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 4:17 PM UTC

12xo wrote: post #354

peruvian wrote: post #276

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This website literally has upvotes and comments - two ways millions of people get dopamine.

So Social Media is any digital tool that allows people to interact? I really dont understand your definition as every human interaction across all mediums could be defined as social media. And yet the term and the tools did not exist prior to 2003ish... So was Usenet social media? Was Aol and Prodigy?

Yes. Sometimes new terms come in later? Not really surprising.

I was getting dopamine hits on 4chan and GameFAQs in 2005 when I was 12. I'd call it social media.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by jedimastert » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

mchusma wrote: post #49

I don't understand why doesn't Facebook just: -Allow all posts -Allow users to customize what they want to see (e.g. "dont show me posts that glorify violence" or "only allow covid posts that match WHO guidelines" or "allow exceptions from political figures or of historical significance") and allow users to ban hide posts that are found untruthful by third parties (snopes, etc). To me effectively everyone wins. Faceb…

> "only allow covid posts that match WHO guidelines"

That's cool, except for all of those people that have been that the WHO is secretly out to get them some how. The issue goes deeper...

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by acid__ » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 4:32 PM UTC

adpirz wrote: post #248

12xo wrote: post #39

Social media is fast food. If you eat it all the time it makes you feel awful and will destroy your mental and physical health. But its cheap, easy to get and tastes really good... So stupid people love it.

Remove "stupid", and this is otherwise accurate.

Yeah, that one word put a distastefully elitist spin on an otherwise excellent comment

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by zarkov99 » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

johannes1234321 wrote: post #418

zarkov99 wrote: post #370

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No it doesn't. The customization could be done based on the source (Always/never show government officials posts, for example) or the votes of a trusted entity (the WHO, The White House, CNN, your cool friend who knows what is going on, etc). Plenty of empty gas bags have been identified by their reaction to Pandemic but also plenty of people who were right, early (and widely mocked at the time). There is signal ther…

I shortened my quote, for context the GP post had these examples: > e.g. "dont show me posts that glorify violence" or "only allow covid posts that match WHO guidelines" or "allow exceptions from political figures or of historical significance") Glorifying violence isn't objective measurable. How do you identify matches to WHO guidance (incl. satire, valuable critique, ...) How exactly do you identify "political figu…

I agree that "hide things I won't like" isn't going to work but I think that for people in good faith the proxies I mentioned would be good enough. That however would not afford FB or anyone else control over other's speech, which I guess is what you think should be possible? Can you elaborate as to why you think that would be a net good?

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by luckylion » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 4:45 PM UTC

mauvehaus wrote: post #308

luckylion wrote: post #202

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> He’s doing the right thing. He worked at Facebook, let's not get carried away. Working at Facebook and then leaving because of the non-intervention wrt to the President is a bit like manufacturing landmines quite happily, but having a change of heart because you saw a dog stepping on one. You've still been manufacturing landmines all that time, making money and not giving a damn.

Beating people up for not having your morals is not a great way to get them on your side. Facebook has been on my list of companies not to work at for a long time, but I have friends who work there. Accepting that other people value different things and being willing to interact with them on a basic, human level is a lot more likely to build bridges and lead to constructive conversation about important matters down t…

> You're castigating somebody for voting with their feet, but presumably mostly because they didn't do it as soon as you did.

No. I'm saying they did always vote with their feet. And "get money, fuck society" was the vote they cast.

Facebook isn't the army, there is no draft, they had and have plenty of other options. It's greed and a general feeling of superiority that sees the general population the same way the owners of factory farms see pigs.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by luckylion » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 4:47 PM UTC

tjchear wrote: post #357

luckylion wrote: post #202

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> He’s doing the right thing. He worked at Facebook, let's not get carried away. Working at Facebook and then leaving because of the non-intervention wrt to the President is a bit like manufacturing landmines quite happily, but having a change of heart because you saw a dog stepping on one. You've still been manufacturing landmines all that time, making money and not giving a damn.

That analogy does not work though. Landmine's sole purpose is to kill/injure whoever steps on it. I don't use Facebook much, but plenty of people have benefited from it. Instead of personal cost to him, I'd rather view it through the lenses of the impact of his action. It's inviting a lot of constructive conversation and making people re-evaluate Mark's decisions, which I think overall is a net positive.

> I don't use Facebook much, but plenty of people have benefited from it.

Namely those who hold stock options or who used it to hyper target unsuspecting fools and scam them.

> Instead of personal cost to him, I'd rather view it through the lenses of the impact of his action.

Let's. The "constructive conversation" has been going on already. This doesn't move the needle on that conversation, it's not one with a lot of grey area where the world is on the fence. This is great - for him. But not much else.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by yogthos » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 4:51 PM UTC

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #419

yogthos wrote: post #409

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Language is not a immutable, however the problem in US is precisely that people don't understand what fascism is. You have literal fascist organizations, you have white supremacy, you have tight coupling between the government and the military industrial complex, and so on. Everybody else in the world understands this, and it's time for people in US to start understanding what's happening in their country.

Having gone through versions of this conversation before, I can say that it is a lot easier to attempt to relate to something audience already understands instead of trying to spend valuable time fighting over the definition of fascism and whether it is left wing or right wing ideology ( never fails ). I am not really disagreeing with you, but you are trying to fight against decades of fascist label being used as a c…

fair enough

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by QuercusMax » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 4:53 PM UTC

pas wrote: post #395

s1artibartfast wrote: post #314

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The average facebook dev in the Bay area with 0 years of experience starts over 180. The average FAANG dev hits 250K around 3-4 years of total industry experience.

180K total comp or yearly before-taxes salary or ...?

Total comp. You don't get to 180K salary (at least at Google) till you're L5 (Senior).

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by luckylion » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 5:02 PM UTC

swagonomixxx wrote: post #200

First of all, I'm glad this person has seen the light and hopefully others that work at Facebook will see the light and stop working for this evil company. With that out of the way though, I'm obligated to say that there have been many stages in the lifecycle of Facebook where one could have said "how could they do something this despicable" and leave for another "high impact" job, and it saddens me that things have…

> But I'm honestly disappointed that it's taken people this long to realize that Facebook is not the bastion of good that they thought it was.

The cynic in me says that they haven't realized that at all. They've just made a value judgement that making a loud public statement and switching to another adtech surveillance capitalism corporation is a career move that will make them more money than working at Facebook.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by giardini » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

banads wrote: post #361

at_a_remove wrote: post #242

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Ah, that word "just." Whenever I see "just" in some kind of kind of technical demand in the first line, I immediately know that there's a lot of stuff to unpack. Here, you have requested something fairly close to a general AI which understands both written language, images, and even more fun, images of language. Cartoon violence right on down to "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" And will quoting Henry II…

Okay, but companies like Google, FB, and Twitter are already putting great efforts towards implementing that type of thing in production. Whats so difficult about letting a user toggle those existing filters on and off? Or allowing users more control over their news feed, such as allowing it to be chronological? Or hiding items based on keywords? Its our job as technologists to not only tell people if/when their requ…

banads says>"Whats so difficult about letting a user toggle those existing filters on and off? Or allowing users more control over their news feed, such as allowing it to be chronological? Or hiding items based on keywords?"This! And...

allow 3rd-party individuals/companies to create user-filters that users could load up at their preference. Allow a proliferation of filters to compete.

So, say, if you don't want profanity you could view FaceBook with the, say, "FaceBook-no-profanity" filter active. Or if you don't want antisemitic remarks you can load up FaceBook with, say, the no-antisemitic filter. Filters could be loaded, unloaded, switched on and off at the users desire.

So everyone could see the Internet they want or, at any time, view everything or part of it. And if you want to see what a friend is talking about, you could load the filter(s) (s)he is using. Sets of filters could be grouped, e.g., TomT's filters, Mary's filters, Mom's filters, etc., so you can, so to speak, "see the (Internet) world through their eyes".

I see where this is going...in the long run the Internet will turn into a vast wasteland with gardens of little consequence and minimal membership. It will become defunct and all else will be simple P2P over TCP/IP.