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Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by artsyca »

cycloptic wrote: post #185
artsyca wrote: post #122

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I'm calling total BS. He should stay to change the system from within. Total waste of hard work to give up now. This is a knee jerk reaction and the poor lamb is going to live to regret it. I'm surprised they didn't have him out on his ass the same day and gave him a whole extra week to potentially sabotage the systems. Edit: OK fine. I agree it's totally an uphill struggle and in all fairness it's one we're all figh…

How many times have people at these companies tried to "manage up" from within and it didn't work? I honestly lost count by now. This will continue as long as there are enablers on the other side who keep offering to foot the bill in exchange for the lion's share of management's attention. I see this quite often. As a rank-and-file employee, there comes a point where a lot of people have to cut their losses and reali…

Totally agree but there are many people there now who could use his help to fight for what they believe in. He's not just one guy trying to get some hair brained initiative passed.

Our problem is we seek acceptance and agreement too much and don't fight for what others believe in on principle.

We're all to blame but now we have one less person who can do anything about it. Look at the world from the outside in for once and quit suffering your blasted anecdoche.

How many times have they tried to manage up only to be hamstringed by their own peers?

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by dagmx »

blueterminal wrote: post #211
commandlinefan wrote: post #152

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> speech censorship, even by a private company It seems to me that Facebook (or at least Mark Zuckerberg) actually agrees with you and wants FB to be an open platform, but are being pressured by activists to censor against their wishes. This kind of goes beyond "they're a private company, they can do what they want": it would appear that they can't do what they want.

I am just amazed that people are for private companies censoring politicians. You really don't want to see everything politicians want to tell you? Even if it's a complete lie? You want Mark and Jack and others to hide that info from you? What is going on? I feel I am completely losing touch. It's scary.

People keep jumping between the extremes of “show or don’t show the post”

There are options in between like decrying the post for violence. Twitter did a good job here IMHO by having the post visible, but restricted behind a click through. They also didn’t cast aspersions on it, and sent you to more links to learn more.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by s1artibartfast »

masukomi wrote: post #187
blickentwapft wrote: post #14

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It’s a highly privileged position to be in to make a personal stand and leave your $250,000 job for another $250,000 job. Not judging this way or that, just saying.

he's a "Software Engineer" at facebook. He's not even a "Senior Software Engineer" He is NOT making 250k and he likely lives _near_ facebook which means _most_ of his money is going directly into housing. There are a LOT of people working what is normally considered a high income job in the bay area and living out of their vans because that's the only way they can actually have any money left over at the end of the m…

The average facebook dev in the Bay area with 0 years of experience starts over 180. The average FAANG dev hits 250K around 3-4 years of total industry experience.

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Post by hellomyguys »

georgeburdell wrote: post #295
ordinaryradical wrote: post #8

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

I admire Zuck more in this situation. This kid is voicing a very popular “unpopular opinion” in the Bay Area and will have a new job within the week, if he doesn’t already. Zuck, on the other hand, faces an open mutiny and a damaging of the Facebook brand. Perhaps he’s just stuck between a rock and a hard place, though, because Facebook censoring POTUS can only invite more government scrutiny.

Is it really more admirable for Zuck to do something that seems more in-line with business motives than anything else?

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Post by anonymousab »

sneak wrote: post #161
commandlinefan wrote: post #134

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> they want FB to censor so that other people CAN'T read that stuff I'm having a hard time believing that they want to stop with Facebook, either. I suspect this will move on to hosting providers next.

There was an effort by Anonymous people to negatively affect Cloudflare in some capacity called #OpISIS due to the fact that Cloudflare generally tries to be a content-neutral pipe, and was continuing to host websites used by the Islamic State. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/19/cloudflar... I wish there were more companies like Cloudflare.

> Cloudflare generally tries to be a content-neutral pipe

They did a complete 180 over the past couple of years, for particularly distasteful content (in their opinion). For better or worse.

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Post by adrianmonk »

mproud wrote: post #53
blickentwapft wrote: post #14

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It’s a highly privileged position to be in to make a personal stand and leave your $250,000 job for another $250,000 job. Not judging this way or that, just saying.

Agreed. I don’t think that’s their fault, I’m happy they=’re leaving, but the people commenting and upvoting these threads should question how much attention this one person deserves. There are people working jobs in far worse conditions with far worse bosses we never hear about.

Not sure I agree with the premise that this has to be only or primarily about how much this guy deserves the attention.

Maybe the goal of praising him isn't to make his life better but is instead to encourage other people to also stand up for what they believe in.

Or maybe it's to contrast him with other people who are in a similar position of privilege (and feel the same about Zuckerberg's lack of action) but chose not to sacrifice anything at all for their principles.

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Post by z9e »

akamaka wrote: post #273
nightski wrote: post #126

I respect his decision. But I for one do not want our president, no matter who she or he is to be censored. I want to know exactly what they are saying and when. That includes any government official for that matter because it directly affects my voting decisions and actions.

You’re right to want to be able to look into what elected officials have said, but social media additionally allows posts to be shared, commented on, and spread widely. There are thousands of elected officials, so it’s not simply a theoretical question to ask what should be done when one of them posts dangerous misinformation. Shouldn’t Facebook prevent it from spreading widely?

How is this any different from a President giving a speech that people don't agree with on TV? Or making statements that are covered in newspapers?

Spreading widely is the only reason we should censor speech? If what a person says is absolutely ridiculous, it should be seen and exposed by sunlight and more discussion.

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Post by sk0g »

ycombonator wrote: post #24

What happened to everyone leaving Facebook when Hillary lost ? Their active users have grown orders of magnitude since then.

Didn't Facebook have over a billion users then? There's about 8 billion people on this planet, a good 7th or so are blocked from Facebook entirely. Even then, orders of magnitude would be 100, 1000 billion and upwards.

They _can't_ grow orders of magnitude.

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