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Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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This comment is as mindless as the generalisation it's applying to an entire population.

This is not about the US citizenry but about the state. If you can't actually see how the American state (not population or country) has devolved into something to be concerned about over the last 20 years, perhaps you're not looking hard enough. Domestic politics and policies are cruel and divisive, international policies have regressed dramatically (i.e. they've pulled out of major international treaties around arm…

The United States government is legitimized by its people. While I highly disagree with the ‘America terrible’ feeling your argument does not hold.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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The point of the law is that even if law enforcement finds evidence of guilt via illegal search, they cannot use that evidence in court. This is a crucial protection for citizens. The point of the ruling isn't that it prevents the search, it prevents the result of that search from being used against you. If law enforcement wishes to establish the guilt of a suspect in court, it has to use only evidence it obtained th…

That’s not entirely true - I think the official term is creative reconstruction -and basically once they have evidence then they go back and document all of the things that, with perfect hindsight, would have caused reasonable suspicion so that obtaining the evidence then becomes justified. So John Doe has been caught transporting narcotics, and with perfect hindsight we know that John drives a much more expensive ca…

You’re thinking of Parallel Construction

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

They are the world masters, though..

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

That whole attitude of being "the greatest country in the world" always seemed so peculiar to me. I get that all countries tend to be patriotic and embellish themselves but that just sounds a bit ridiculous and antagonistic. For a country established by immigrants and populated by immigrants, you'd think the national identity would be a bit more versatile.

Instead, it's been homogenized to the point where people have to fight their own perceptions to reclaim their culture and identity. It's a shame, really.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

That whole attitude of being "the greatest country in the world" always seemed so peculiar to me. I get that all countries tend to be patriotic and embellish themselves but that just sounds a bit ridiculous and antagonistic. For a country established by immigrants and populated by immigrants, you'd think the national identity would be a bit more versatile. Instead, it's been homogenized to the point where people have…

>by immigrants and populated by immigrants

By white immigrants of a more-or-less shared Christian ancestry*

You make it sound like the USA was founded by a rainbow-coloured melting pot. It definitely was not

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

But you realize that ordinary people don't have a large choice in this right? We can vote and vote and vote, but until the majority wins, and helps facilitate change, we are stuck with how people perceive our country as well as some of the harsh realities of living here. I feel like you insulted me for the actions of my country. Isn't this how racism and hate is spread? I'm now not worth knowing and should be shyed a…

You’re being downvoted for your “whataboutism”, being insulted and for comparing their mild comment to racism and hatred.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

As a european who is not always very fond of the US, this is ridiculous, and lazy thinking. The amount of generalization and black and white simplifications to come up with such a thing is impressive though.

And yet, in this very thread there are discussions, presumably by Americans, about whether human rights “afforded” to people only apply to citizens or all humans.

They are literally arguing if “people” only means US citizens.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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I found my time in China rather pleasant. However, I am aware of other less positive stories about traveling in China.

> I found my time in China rather pleasant. Yes. As are some places in the Middle East. And so so many places in the US are great too, of course. It's just that the attitude of those states (and the most extreme parts of the population) towards foreigners make most trips not worth the risk.

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Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Is the first point a constitutional issue? I don't recall the constitution guaranteeing anyone a public education.

It doesn't require public education, but it restricts discrimination if it is provided by the state, as all states do. So, yes, it is a Constitutional issue.

Which part of rhe Constitution forbids discrimination based on citizenship status?

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Solution: Go through border control with blank phone/laptop and restore from backup later.

That's workaround - not solution.

It’s a solution if it allows you to get through border control without border guards inspecting your data or imaging your phone...
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