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Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by kiddico »

cyphar wrote: post #417
kiddico wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never thought to set up something like this, but it's a fantastic idea! Now... this may seem like a silly question: What does the '--' do before the channel url? I know '--' is normally used for parameters longer than one character, but that one is kinda just floating about haha.

Putting "--" as an argument means that future arguments starting with "-" will not be parsed as arguments (imagine trying to rm a file called "-rf" or grep for "-"). But it just so happens that it's not necessary in this case.

Ohhhhh okay, that makes sense. Thanks!

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Post by fwn »

mrtksn wrote: post #106
kmlx wrote: post #61

hasn't Apple done the same with Safari? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.zdnet.com/google-amp/arti... curiously i haven't noticed any changes on my day to day browsing habits.

Yep, the hysteria has no substance. I'm using Safari both on mobile and on desktop and use adblocker even though the evil Apple should have had them killed. If Anything, I am nervious of installing any ad-on that can access the web pages I visit and send god knows what who knows were. It's almost as an accident waiting to happen. The web is only secure when your browser is secure. I like the natively handled content…

I'm not deep in the ecosystem and certainly no expert but I got one of those small iPads for free and tried using it as a device for browsing the web.

AFAIK there is no way to make Safari execute any cosmetic filters at all. (My uBlock Origin setup lists ~50k network filters and 150k cosmetic filters)

There are cookie notices, social media buttons, premium newspaper article headlines, comment sections, fixed elements and content "suggestions" everywhere. Unusable.

I use css filters in ublock origin to increase the font size of the HN comment titles because I often miss the collapse or vote links. ...or to block the food suggestions in Googles shoppinglist that, by appearing as an overlay, always hide the first list entry to suggest me to buy "hamburger". (I'm not joking.)

I still do have the device somewhere and I am open for suggestions on how to get control over the content (or at least remove ads) on an ipad, but I don't think there is currently any full content-blocking solution for iOS.

Which is a shame because (in my case unbearable software aside) the device does not appear bad from a hardware perspective.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by fwn »

wffurr wrote: post #328
khrbrt wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bit about adblockers provides context on why this article is worth my attention. I'm not an extension developer, so "Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary" means nothing to me. But this: >The most controversial aspect of the extension manifest v3 is the upcoming changes to the webRequest API. In v3, Google has changed the API so that extensions can only monitor browser connections, but not modify any of the cont…

It's also completely misleading and perhaps willfully so. The limit's been raised. The removed API is used by half of all detected malicious extensions to spy on users. Ad blockers will continue to work fine with the new API, just like they do on Safari now.

> The limit's been raised.

I thought the worrying thing isn't whether it's a 30k or 300k limit but that Google itself chooses the amount of filters users can apply.

It feels to me that this is just asking for the abuse of power.

I don't think the specific number itself is anyones primary concern.

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Post by Kipters »

9dl wrote: post #26
Kipters wrote: post #21

I've given up on Chrome a long time ago (using Firefox now), but I think the best way to block ads for good is to use Pi Hole as DNS. I've set it up a couple months ago at my home, plus a Wireguard tunnel so that all connections from my laptop and phones go through that DNS (with the added benefit of encrypting all my traffic over unsecured networks).

DNS blockers are nuclear option Sometimes they are useful but in most cases you need more flexible solution

Why should it? Most ads are toxic. Even if the site is well-intended and doesn't put too many of them, the few ads are still going to track you and disregard your privacy.

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Post by anoncake »

wffurr wrote: post #328
khrbrt wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bit about adblockers provides context on why this article is worth my attention. I'm not an extension developer, so "Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary" means nothing to me. But this: >The most controversial aspect of the extension manifest v3 is the upcoming changes to the webRequest API. In v3, Google has changed the API so that extensions can only monitor browser connections, but not modify any of the cont…

It's also completely misleading and perhaps willfully so. The limit's been raised. The removed API is used by half of all detected malicious extensions to spy on users. Ad blockers will continue to work fine with the new API, just like they do on Safari now.

> The removed API is used by half of all detected malicious extensions to spy on users.

The API wasn't completely removed. You can add still use it to monitor requests, you can't block them anymore.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by rusk »

Razengan wrote: post #418
rusk wrote: post #341

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Theyd kind of have to if they were being paid to ... whether what they charge FF etc is reasonable would be the question

Would this be considered acceptable if it was a large company doing it to a much smaller company? i.e. if Samsung was shoving itself into the searches for all non-Apple phones?

well like I say, that depends ... but big players squashing little players is fairly normal in my experience ...

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Post by mcv »

nvrspyx wrote: post #374
fastball wrote: post #367

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All Chromium "based" browsers are forks already -- how is this any different?

They’re less so forks than re-builds. They rely heavily on upstream and Google can certainly make it more difficult for them to maintain a “fork” that diverges too much from Chromium proper. Manifest V3 may be something they can easily keep out of their builds while maintaining the old method, but I’m no expert so I won’t comment on that. A fork implies maintaining most or all of the code base themselves, when in rea…

It doesn't have to be a complete fork. In git terms, it can be a branch that pulls from Google, but reverts the commits that disable this functionality. Write some extra unit tests to ensure this functionality is still active, and after that, every time Google pushes something that breaks it, tests will fail and you can fix what they broke. Other than that, you can just keep pulling all the changes from Google.

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Post by mcv »

pen2l wrote: post #305

This is not as terrifying to me as the other news brought to my attention by a post in today's Reddit's r/YSK, that if you use Adblock, your gmail can be closed. In the new TOS of Youtube [1], it states that if your account is not deemed commercially viable, your Google account (i.e. your Gmail, your Google Photos, your Google Drive, etc.) can be closed down: YouTube may terminate your access, or your Google account’…

So if you want to use ad-blockers, I guess it's important to use Youtube only while not logged in. Keep your GMail and Youtube use independent from each other.
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