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Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by jddj »

wffurr wrote: post #329
jddj wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you spell out what you are implying here? Is it that the people posting in this thread are.. authors or stakeholders of malicious extensions? Do they all work for Mozilla? Are they a part of some rival industry which stands to benefit from the fall of adtech? Have they shorted GOOG? Surely it would be strange to class arguments from users who want to continue to block ads in their browsers the same, effective way…

For whatever reason they all seem determined to put Google in the worst possible light and ignore any arguments to the contrary. I can't speak to the motivation other than "hate Google".

If you consider your own reasons (which only you are privy to) for supporting Google's actions in this case, you might find that you're stretching to meet a narrative. And sure, they might be too, but we can't really claim that fairly without peeking inside their minds.

All we really know is that they are annoyed that Google is neutering an extension which they like to use, which makes enough sense that speculation on their motivations isn't really justified.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

pen2l wrote: post #305

This is not as terrifying to me as the other news brought to my attention by a post in today's Reddit's r/YSK, that if you use Adblock, your gmail can be closed. In the new TOS of Youtube [1], it states that if your account is not deemed commercially viable, your Google account (i.e. your Gmail, your Google Photos, your Google Drive, etc.) can be closed down: YouTube may terminate your access, or your Google account’…

> YouTube is a big money-loser for Google

Source?

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by JohnFen »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #355
pen2l wrote: post #305

This is not as terrifying to me as the other news brought to my attention by a post in today's Reddit's r/YSK, that if you use Adblock, your gmail can be closed. In the new TOS of Youtube [1], it states that if your account is not deemed commercially viable, your Google account (i.e. your Gmail, your Google Photos, your Google Drive, etc.) can be closed down: YouTube may terminate your access, or your Google account’…

Fortunately, for privacy-conscious people this is not a huge problem as we're usually running Google apps in a separate workspace already. It sure is a problem for mobile users though as ads in general are a huge battery drain.

My confession as a privacy-conscious person: yeah, YouTube is the only Google service that I (reluctantly) use. I even pay cash money for it in exchange for no advertising.

However, I only use it on a single tablet that is devoted exclusively to that purpose. As with all Google services, I wouldn't dare to actually use it on a machine that I use for anything else.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by JohnFen »

dessant wrote: post #312
jefftk wrote: post #306

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Would anyone like to make a bet on whether ad blocking will still work in Chrome in two years? Something like "if you visit the top ten publishers in the US in Chrome Desktop with the best ad blocker will you see more ads than if you use Firefox Desktop with the best ad blocker"? (Disclosure: I work at Google, not on Chrome, and don't have any inside information on this)

Vanilla ad blocking will continue to work because companies that participate in Acceptable Ads [1] will be happy to implement restricted ad blocking, such as Eyeo with Adblock Plus, while advanced and effective ad blocking that is not funded by advertising companies, like what uBlock Origin offers, will become impossible in Chrome. Meanwhile a bunch of unrelated extensions will be killed, the ones that rely on modify…

The "acceptable ad" program is pointless, as it doesn't consider tracking to be "unacceptable".

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by JohnFen »

vbezhenar wrote: post #196
BurnGpuBurn wrote: post #112

The biggest advertising company in history tries to kill blocking advertisements in their browser? How am I not surprised. I bet this move is also to kill the workings of extensions like DecentralEyes and others that try to protect users from being tracked. The whole changing of the API into a "sure we'll block that URL for ya, sometimes maybe" model reeks of increasing user tracking. They'll work out the kinks to le…

They are not trying to kill advertisements. They want to replace API to provide better performance. That's about it. ad blocking extensions won't disappear. May be some will, and new extensions emerge.

> They are not trying to kill advertisements. They want to replace API to provide better performance.

So they say. I see literally no reason to believe that claim, though.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by fastball »

Ygg2 wrote: post #275
fastball wrote: post #213

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Why not something like Brave which has the performance of Chromium (still better than Firefox imo) because it's a fork but probably won't make similar business decisions to Google?

Because they will probably follow Chromium and remove ad blocking once the pain of forking is too great.

It's one of their central features, so probably not.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by fastball »

apocalyptic0n3 wrote: post #291
fastball wrote: post #213

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Why not something like Brave which has the performance of Chromium (still better than Firefox imo) because it's a fork but probably won't make similar business decisions to Google?

Isn't Google introducing this change upstream in Chromium? This means that it will affect downstream browsers, including Chrome, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, Opera, and a number of others[1]. The only way they will keep the old functionality is if they fork it and maintain it themselves going forward, which could potentially be made more difficult by further upstream changes made by Google. A few have vowed to do so[2], but…

All Chromium "based" browsers are forks already -- how is this any different?

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by Spare_account »

neuronic wrote: post #315
Spare_account wrote: post #239

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I have Sonos kit and a pi-hole. I use the default lists plus the ticked lists from this site: https://firebog.net/ I have no issues with my Sonos equipment - I use a local MP3 library, a Spotify subscription and TuneIn Radio all without any issues. What problems did you have?

In case of Sonos - the speakers disconnected all the time. Taking off pihole completely solved the issue. I did not check for possible problematic URLs on the blacklists though.

What were you using for DHCP? I'm no Sonos engineer but that sounds like it might been network level rather than DNS. I have pi-hole doing DHCP as well and created DHCP reservations for my Sonos speakers just to be safe (although it isn't necessary and I never had issues when they were regular DHCP clients of my ISPs router).

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Post by fastball »

bn7t wrote: post #308
fastball wrote: post #213

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Why not something like Brave which has the performance of Chromium (still better than Firefox imo) because it's a fork but probably won't make similar business decisions to Google?

Regarding brave see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21323576

I like how Peter Thiel, the guy who scorched earth Gawker for outing him as gay, can look past Eich supporting prop 8, but HN can't.

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Post by hollerith »

apocalyptic0n3 wrote: post #291
fastball wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not something like Brave which has the performance of Chromium (still better than Firefox imo) because it's a fork but probably won't make similar business decisions to Google?

Isn't Google introducing this change upstream in Chromium? This means that it will affect downstream browsers, including Chrome, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, Opera, and a number of others[1]. The only way they will keep the old functionality is if they fork it and maintain it themselves going forward, which could potentially be made more difficult by further upstream changes made by Google. A few have vowed to do so[2], but…

What I want to know is whether Microsoft plans to continue to support Ublock Origin, etc, in Edge Chromium.
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