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Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by _ph_ »

acdha wrote: post #402
_ph_ wrote: post #341

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Internal storage is a huge thing. I have external storage attached to my 27" iMac, but it is not completely reliable (disks get ejected occasionally) and completely beats the purpose of an elegant desktop machine. So I really would like a machine with several drive spaces, especially if I can access them. I could have lived reasonably by upgrading the internal storage of my iMac, if there was any way for me to access…

> I have external storage attached to my 27" iMac, but it is not completely reliable (disks get ejected occasionally) Check your cabling or hardware — this is not normal except when something is starting to fail.

The hardware is brand new and the cabling properly secured. I had this with USB disks too.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by fbisevil »

acdha wrote: post #405
DoctorPenguin wrote: post #282

Please forgive my ignorance but the specs on this are just average in my opinion. Why would I choose this over a custom build pc with almost the same, if not better, components? My experience with all apple products at work has been quite bad so I might be a little biased.

Try to build a custom PC with equivalent specs, paying attention to the expansion options and I/O characteristics, and you'll end up with similar pricing. People who need professional workstations are in a different market than gamers or almost all software developers — the question is kind of like asking why anyone buys a semi-truck when your pickup can beat it off the light.

>Try to build a custom PC with equivalent specs, paying attention to the expansion options and I/O characteristics, and you'll end up with similar specs.

What? If you build a PC with similar specs then it will have similar specs? That seems like a given. You could certainly build something with better specs for cheaper though, but this seems to be aimed at large media companies that want something off the shelf with support

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by acdha »

_ph_ wrote: post #421
acdha wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have external storage attached to my 27" iMac, but it is not completely reliable (disks get ejected occasionally) Check your cabling or hardware — this is not normal except when something is starting to fail.

The hardware is brand new and the cabling properly secured. I had this with USB disks too.

Maybe check your power supply? I've supported Macs for a couple of decades and normally people have storage mounted for years without this kind of thing happening in the absence of some sort of hardware or environmental problem.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by fbisevil »

_ph_ wrote: post #421
acdha wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have external storage attached to my 27" iMac, but it is not completely reliable (disks get ejected occasionally) Check your cabling or hardware — this is not normal except when something is starting to fail.

The hardware is brand new and the cabling properly secured. I had this with USB disks too.

There could still be an issue with new hardware. That definitely should not be happening

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by alexis_fr »

swebs wrote: post #344
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #336

Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

Find me a comparable computer that: - Ships with anything other than Windows (Linux, OSX, BSD, etc) - Has a corporate warranty You'll quickly find that Apple has this market cornered. To many people, you're not paying the extra money for the goodness of Apple. You're paying to avoid the badness of Windows. There's also some software that works on Macs, but not Linux machines that may be necessary for the job.

> You’re not paying the goodness of Apple > You’re paying to avoid the badness of Windows

Are you telling me there is a market of an intermediate OS? Because I would be ready to pay about $250/year/user for a Linux that is as good as Mac, but with cheaper and more maintainable gear than the iMac. It’s almost as if Apple were trying to tell us there’s an intermediate market up for grabs, but they’re still to close to it for any incumbent to try their luck. Canonical was close to it, but stuck to the wrong business model and decided to switch to Unity in 2013 instead of stabilizing Ubuntu. Product roadmaps are hard. Jony Ive is available, just saying ;)

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by nsxwolf »

maccard wrote: post #413
ganonm wrote: post #381

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Apple service is atrocious. Don't they make you book an appointment and turn up at their store just to get someone to look at it? I hear of people who spend more time taking their laptops to the local Apple store than most people with major illnesses spend going to the doctor... I bought a Dell XPS13 laptop recently which unfortunately had a non functioning motherboard. I contacted Dell and a technician came to my ho…

> Apple service is atrocious. Don't they make you book an appointment and turn up at their store just to get someone to look at it? I had a macbook pro with a logic board that died. I phoned Apple, they couriered me a replacement device next day, and that courier picked up my old device. Literally couldn't ask for better service.

Seriously? My friend was forced to drag his 27 inch iMac into the Woodfield shopping mall location, which if you've ever been there, is a quarter mile minimum walk from the parking lot to the store.

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Post by Kipters »

lostgame wrote: post #393
inlined wrote: post #388

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They used to do this and it almost led to the death of the company. I’m sure they’re quite hesitant to try again. Instead, you can look into the hackintosh project

They’re making money, now - they have no reason to license MacOS, and all the more reason not to. Apple’s hardware/software combination is the reason a lot of us have stuck with them for so long. It’s quality control. No drivers to fuss with; just plug in and go.

>It's quality control

My MacBook's keyboard disagrees

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by ancientworldnow »

headmelted wrote: post #407
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #336

Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

I don't see the contradiction here honestly. The only tangible market for a Mac Pro is professional Final Cut users in a professional setting, no? If this is hogwash, tell me so, but it just seems that any other realistic scenario that requires this level of hardware (like research, rendering and AI) would be significantly cheaper and better supported outside of Apple's ecosystem. Short of having a pretty device to s…

There aren't any serious edit houses that use FCP X outside of gimmick advertising deals like some late night shows. Everyone is using Avid or increasingly Premiere anyway.

In my experience, the past five years have seen a dramatic shift to windows in professional facilities (Oscar winning editors).

I do know one very high end editor who cuts on a Mac mini. The old school guys are used to proxy workflows and you don't need lots of power for that anyway.

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Post by pier25 »

slig wrote: post #152
lostlogin wrote: post #129

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It presumably is in some areas. In New Zealand we have The Consumer Guarantees Act. Things are expected to have a reasonable life span. What this means is not specified but is generally accepted to be relative to the price paid (eg if it’s expensive, it should last). It’s a fantastic piece of legislation. I’ve had a 2.5 year old iPhone covered for example.

I believe that the parent meant that Apple charges enough (in the US), so it should have the extended guarantee included there. In NZ, things cost extra due to that law, correct? The difference: is everybody is paying for that extra protection, there's no choice.

I don't live in the US. I live in Mexico where Apple products are on average about 20% more expensive when converting currencies.

If you compare the value of the peso in Mexico vs the dollar in the US, Apple prices are in comparison much more expensive than in the US.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Post by ryanlol »

swebs wrote: post #344
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #336

Still don't understand the justification for this machine, I waited years for a MacPro but when it became clear that Apple actually considered it a dead product and behind the scenes were building the iMac Pro to fill the niche I switched to windows and now run a dual 1080Ti workstation (Uses CUDA for 3D rendering path-tracing) for around half the price of a iMac Pro. Apple bloggers said time and time again the reaso…

Find me a comparable computer that: - Ships with anything other than Windows (Linux, OSX, BSD, etc) - Has a corporate warranty You'll quickly find that Apple has this market cornered. To many people, you're not paying the extra money for the goodness of Apple. You're paying to avoid the badness of Windows. There's also some software that works on Macs, but not Linux machines that may be necessary for the job.

>- Ships with anything other than Windows (Linux, OSX, BSD, etc)

It doesn't exactly sound like it would be any kind of a problem for you to install your own OS if you're willing to accept a manufacturer supplied BSD.

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