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MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Recently my b key started to exhibit the same symptoms on my 2016 model. I avoided having to use the keyboard at all costs because it's a serious impedance to my productivity and it still happened to me. What's most infuriating is the realization that I bought a $3000 laptop with a keyboard that will break sooner or later and there's nothing you can do about it except sell it at a substantial loss. Even if I go throu…

I'm off the Apple train. I honestly don't trust them to make reliable hardware anymore. They've had three years to fix this mess but they have shown zero initiative or intention to do it. Apple has consistently shown that it cares more about form over function. No one needs their laptops to be any thinner than they already are. And no one needs the useless, expensive touchbar.

Ayup. Finally broke down and bought a Lenovo X1 Carbon 7th Gen running Windows 10 and Debian dual booted.

I have a useful keyboard, Bluetooth that doesn't randomly die, graphics drivers that don't suck and a MATTE SCREEN. I didn't even realize that you could get a laptop with one anymore--I practically cried tears of joy when I opened it up and didn't see a reflection in the screen.

I'm slowly transitioning off of my 2015 Macbook Pro Retina to Linux on the Lenovo. I've had a few issues, but I can't say that my OS X experience has been all roses either. The OS X machine randomly loses Bluetooth, drops my printer at irregular intervals, and occasionally won't find my monitor's highest resolutions.

To be honest, Linux really isn't that much more annoying than OS X anymore. Linux has gotten better, but OS X feels like it has gotten a LOT worse.

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I use a MBP at work and an XPS 13 at home and much prefer the latter - Ubuntu with a Plasma desktop makes for a crazy configurable UI.

Plasma (KDE) sucks at handling multiple displays. I had to learn this the hard way. It's OK if you only ever use the laptop screen.

On the other hand, it seems totally fine with multiple displays on a desktop, or a laptop used as if it's a desktop. Is it live plugging and unplugging that causes problems?

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I recently upgraded from a 2015 MBP to the latest 2019 MBP, and I actually think it surpasses the older model in almost every way. So far I haven't experienced any of the keyboard issues that people have been reporting, although I'm aware that this model has a membrane that was put in to prevent those issues. My only gripe is the need to have a dongle to connect HDMI and USB 2.0, but I still wouldn't go back to the 2…

We are the silent majority (I think). I'm also very happy with the new keyboard and actually came to hate the old 2015 model keyboard.

I live in a relatively dusty place/country that you can see grain dust on top of the laptop at the end of the week. I was concerned reading reports before buying the laptop. But now it's almost a year and the keyboard is fine.

My guess is:

- Some models have problems.

- Some people are not comfortable with the keyboard and thus make typing mistakes?

Does it have no cons though? Not really. The trackpad is huge and sometimes I mistakenly click with my palm. The Touchbar is sometimes useful but also slower than typing on a regular keyboard (esc/sound/luminosity).

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There are four of us at work that use Linux--the other 30 or so all have MacBooks. There are no converts, either you started a Linux person, or you started a Mac person. My little Linux enclave has some theories about the cognitive effect of all the polish that you find on Apple products, but we can't separate our biasses from good science, especially because there's nobody to ask that knows both worlds. So I have a…

Linux is pretty terrible for vision impaired users since at minimum OSX 10.3.

Did you mean "OSX" instead of "Linux" here? If not, I don't understand.

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No, they are not. As an owner of LG OLED TV, I know it for sure.

LOL, dear downvoters, tell me more about my TV, muhaha.

I have an LG tv and have no problems, but not regarding that, Apple uses LG displays on their macbooks and ipads (not sure about the 5k imac). This is probably why you are being downvoted.

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Linux is pretty terrible for vision impaired users since at minimum OSX 10.3.

Did you mean "OSX" instead of "Linux" here? If not, I don't understand.

Since the release of OSX 10.3, Linux has lagged when it comes to accessibility for vision impaired users (back then it didn't even have anything to offer).

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Anyone who makes serious money with his notebook moved away from Apple years ago. I can't take people serious buying Macbooks in 2019 posting a rant about, oh surprise, the broken keyboard. This is a well known fact and if you don't develop for iOS there is no single reason or lock-in forcing you to use Macs.

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> If Apple releases their new Macs with an identical keyboard, then I'm ditching Macs and will pick up a Microsoft Surface Book or something similar.

Holy shit, I know you're desperate but for the sake of your sanity DO NOT buy anything from the Microsoft Surface line.

I traded my Surface Book for a Dell XPS a couple of months back and, although the Dell is far from perfect, in day to day use it's about 10000x better than the Surface. Key point: it's a tool I can rely on.

Here are some examples of Surface issues that make it a very poor choice of tool as a "daily driver" machine:

- The keyboard is crap: differently crap to the Macbook Pro, but still crap (to be fair this isn't the XPS's best feature either, but it's still better), and I found myself having to correct an unusually large quantity of typos. Layout's a bit weird as well, although you do get used to that.

- The WiFi sucks: it just drops connectivity all the damn time, or refuses to reconnect, or doesn't recognise a network, or whatever. It gets boring. Yes, I've updated the firmware. Yes, I've updated the drivers.

- The battery drains fast whilst the computer is asleep. Like between 12 and 16 hours fast. This means if you don't have a full charge at the end of the day, and you forget to plug it in overnight, it's dead in the morning. My Macbook Pros can sleep for days and wake up; likewise the XPS - no problems with sleep.

- Sometimes, even when plugged in, it wouldn't charge - no idea why. Sometimes it would charge only one of the batteries (e.g., the one in the keyboard but not the one in the screen, or vice versa) - again, no idea why. Generally required a reboot to fix the latter. I got so tired of this machine letting me down because the battery was dead (for whatever reason).

- Battery life is nowhere near advertised levels. I forget what it's supposed to be: 11 hours, 13 hours, 16 hours? It doesn't matter. If you're doing any kind of serious work you'll be luck to get 3 - 4.

- Related to the above, the fans are always running and the thing runs really hot even in cool or temperate environments.

- Dumb power supply design with too-short cables (yes, you can buy generic replacements that are longer) and a fragile connector to the machine itself.

(If the above sounds really angry it's because that computer made me really angry on a regular basis. Without doubt the worst and least reliable machine I have ever owned, with the exception of two Sinclair Spectrums back in the 1980s. Do not buy one unless you're into more creative methods of self-flagellation.)

If I had to pick a machine now because, like you, I'm not going to buy another MBP[1] unless this keyboard fiasco is sorted out, it would probably be a mid-level to high end Lenovo. They seem pretty decent and offer plenty of options for customisation, depending on which range you pick.

[1] I'm still using a 2015 model, which is doing mostly fine, although one day it will need replacing.

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LOL, dear downvoters, tell me more about my TV, muhaha.

I have an LG tv and have no problems, but not regarding that, Apple uses LG displays on their macbooks and ipads (not sure about the 5k imac). This is probably why you are being downvoted.

And I have LG TV and have problem, so what, lol? "I don't want to believe they can be bad"? Muhaha!

At least try to google first how many people have issues with LG monitors.

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Yeah, the feel of the butterfly mechanism is subjectively excellent. I can type faster on it than even my mech keyboard at home, which is a very impressive feat. But my MacBook is going in for its second keyboard repair in a year soon, so... They're apparently ditching the butterfly keyboard in the next redesign. Bittersweet as someone who loves the keyfeel, but I guess it's for the best so here's hoping.

The new scissor design is said to feel more like the butterfly but with more travel rather than reverting to the old scissor design, if that makes you feel any better.

It does :)
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