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Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#422

It's great Firefox 'is back' but I never really left, and when I did try to use Chrome I just felt a bit 'dirty'. For me, whether FF is faster or slower than Chrome is largely irrelevent (unless ofc it's extreme). What matters to me is that it feels like Mozilla are fighting for me, and Chrome are fighting for the advertising revenue. Mozilla, for all their mistakes, do care about their users and privacy (but make so…

Agree. They're not-for-profit (well, mostly - Mozilla has a famously curious structure) and generally share my appreciation of privacy and FOSS values.

But sometimes they really drop the ball. And by 'sometimes', I mean 'repeatedly'.

* The time they dragged their heels fixing a bug whereby Firefox didn't clear IndexedDB when it clearly should have [0]

* Integrating with a proprietary bookmark-management solution, 'Pocket', presumably for the money [1][2]

* Making it difficult to disable address-bar search (no, I don't want Google getting a record of every URL I type in) [3]

* Their general mismanagement isn't really the point here, but it's still true: dumbing down the UI and turning Firefox into a me-too Chrome and annoying power-users, breaking plugin compatibility (Firefox's big killer feature), and pretending for the longest time that their performance was competitive with Chrome when it quite clearly wasn't (evidenced in the release of Quantum, when they finally really were performance-competitive with Chrome). Also the Mr. Robot fiasco.

[0] https://superuser.com/a/1250955/

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9876504

[2] https://news.slashdot.org/story/15/06/09/1722236/mozilla-res...

[3] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1134010

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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FYI, firefox is working on switching to rendering the entire page in opengl which should bring it's motion mark score up substantially. Details on that (and how to enable it in nightly at the bottom of each post) at https://mozillagfx.wordpress.com

They’d better switch to using metal because Apple deprecated OpenGL for MacOS.

Apple deprecated a lot of stuff decades ago that still works fine (talking about macOS).

There will be a free OpenGL-over-Metal implementation sooner or later, so I would still go with OpenGL for a cross-platform application.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Firefox was never away, at least for me. Therefore the expression "Firefox is back" sounds a little odd to me. I have been using it since 2006 (Firefox 2.0). Back then, the presence of the Firebug extension for Firefox made me switch to Firefox as my primary browser. Two years later, Chrome arrived but Firefox remained as my primary browser because I wanted to continue using the Vimperator extension for Firefox that…

I have a very similar background with Firefox / Firebug and Vimperator, but there was a period where - despite all JS benchmarks seemingly proving otherwise - Chrome's real / perceived performance completely blew FF out of the water. Specifically things like startup time, opening a new window or tearing a tab off one, time to first content displayed when clicking a link, etc. As a result from about 2011 to 2017, I ke…

Do you mean "Quantum hit the mainstream"? Most of Servo itself it still a research project at this stage.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’d better switch to using metal because Apple deprecated OpenGL for MacOS.

Since Firefox is a cross-platform project it'd be easier for them to target Vulkan and then use the MoltenVK library to do Vulkan on macOS: https://moltengl.com/moltenvk/ https://www.khronos.org/vulkan/

Work on WebRender started before Vulkan API was widely available (even now there are lots of users, that can't use it) and right now they focus on integrating it in Firefox. Vulkan support is kept to be implemented "later", as it should enable further opportunities for parallelization in future.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Firefox was never away, at least for me. Therefore the expression "Firefox is back" sounds a little odd to me. I have been using it since 2006 (Firefox 2.0). Back then, the presence of the Firebug extension for Firefox made me switch to Firefox as my primary browser. Two years later, Chrome arrived but Firefox remained as my primary browser because I wanted to continue using the Vimperator extension for Firefox that…

The same for me, but with the recent Firefox they broke the old addons and the current ones cannot do the same. I hope they fix that regression.

WebExtensions (aka new generation addons) are getting more powerful with each version :)

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Just dropping a note in support of Firefox ... It's a great browser and I've came back to it even before the changes in Quantum, because the UI is better and it's also a browser I can trust to protect my interests. Just one thing to consider ... recently in Chrome 66 they introduced the means for cosmetic ads blocking via stylesheets that can no longer be overridden, as Google finally succumbed to demands for it. Fir…

Yep, same here. I use it as my regular browser. Occasionally I switch to Chrome for miscellaneous "other reasons", sometimes just to maintain separation between work and personal browsing sessions (I use FF for work). I'm about to start a new contract doing React development again though. I wonder if I'll stick to FF or if I'll get dragged back to Chrome for DevTools support...

I'm developping with React every day on Firefox, the devTools work perfectly!

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#428
I always refrain from talking in Firefox threads because my use case is so different from the HN crowd, but still...

I have a netbook with 1Gb RAM. It was a handout from the owner, as it was painfully slow even after cleaning and tweaking the Win 7 install. Eventually, the owner got a new beefier laptop and I got the netbook.

Long story short: I put Xubuntu on it, and it's still my daily driver and main computer 6 years in.

I have always used Firefox and, believe this 1Gb RAM multitasker, it's getting noticeably better year after year.

Thank you mozillians!

edit: i mean ubuntians, debianists, xfcers, fossers, hners, party people!

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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I just ran both of the speed test benchmarks [1][2] mentioned in the article, plus two other tests [3][4]. | Firefox | Safari | Chrome ----------------|----------------|-----------------|----------------- Speedometer 2.0 | 83.0 ±0.91 | 92.1 ±2.8 | 75.7 ±3.4 JetStream | 219.40 ±8.5563 | 294.79 ±11.138 | 201.81 ±15.171 Motion Mark | 203.71 ±5.41% | 525.77 ±6.56% | 388.85 ±4.79 ARES-6 | 54.06 ±0.95ms | 16.85 ±1.19ms | 2…

Firefox’s biggest problem is rapacious battery draining. Unplug your charger and Safari feels like a dainty butterfly in a soft summer breeze, while Firefox thrashes around like a drunken Godzilla in mid-90s Tokyo. The energy usage tab on the activity monitor consistently shows Firefox at a ~40 “score” (whatever that unit is), and Safari more around 4. Anecdotally, the difference in battery time is real. This is the…

It is pretty fundamental. While Safari lacks features, it feels so much lighter and is noticeably less memory/CPU intensive. As a developer who needs every MB of memory, this makes me resort to Safari for pretty much everything. I'll occasionally use Firefox/Chrome when I really really need their superior webdev tools.
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