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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by throwaway1584 »

to3m wrote: post #416
throwaway1584 wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We as a society agree to state sanctioned consequences that are similar to actions unacceptable to individuals. The difference is that there need to be a sense of justice and recourse, which social justice warriors don’t think should apply to their actions. Acting like a social justice warrior in the workplace should for instance be a firable offence, and things like doxxing should receive severe punishment.

This is now officially beyond parody.

Why? Social justice actions that should be firable offenses that have been brought to light are;

- blacklists of workers that have the wrong viewpoint

- explicit race and gender discrimination

- using power to enforce that no one can express an opposing viewpoint

All actions that hurt those that are affected in material way.

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Post by dragonwriter »

throwaway1584 wrote: post #421
to3m wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is now officially beyond parody.

Why? Social justice actions that should be firable offenses that have been brought to light are; - blacklists of workers that have the wrong viewpoint - explicit race and gender discrimination - using power to enforce that no one can express an opposing viewpoint All actions that hurt those that are affected in material way.

Accusations in a lawsuit, even when they happen to support your preconceived biases, aren't the same thing as proof. Yes, the complaining parties in various lawsuits have levelled accusations of that (or, on the last case, substantially narrower accusations of which that description appears to be a somewhat hyperbolic generalization.) But anyone who can afford a court filing fee can put any accusation they want in a lawsuit.

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Post by hoki1 »

colmvp wrote: post #126

I have to say, as an Asian male I found this comment by dirtyid in the article to be succinct and all too true: > "Pour one out for Asian males. Get screwed by affirmative action in education, media representation and now employment but can't get screwed on dating apps." Asian men constantly get grouped as a single entity when it comes to tech and aren't considered an added element of diverseness within the industry…

google is based in California, which in 1996 passed proposition 209 which essentially ended affirmative action in education.

and how many hispanics, women or blacks do you see in movies or tv?

google is multi-national company with billions of users so it makes sense that they value having people of different skin colors and gender.

with a more diverse workforce maybe things like this[0] would not happen

[0]https://twitter.com/jackyalcine/status/615329515909156865

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by throwaway1584 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #422
throwaway1584 wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Social justice actions that should be firable offenses that have been brought to light are; - blacklists of workers that have the wrong viewpoint - explicit race and gender discrimination - using power to enforce that no one can express an opposing viewpoint All actions that hurt those that are affected in material way.

Accusations in a lawsuit, even when they happen to support your preconceived biases, aren't the same thing as proof. Yes, the complaining parties in various lawsuits have levelled accusations of that (or, on the last case, substantially narrower accusations of which that description appears to be a somewhat hyperbolic generalization.) But anyone who can afford a court filing fee can put any accusation they want in a…

There are screenshots in the suits of concrete messages from people claiming they do each of these actions. At this point the question seems mostly to be about if this is systematic or just individual actions.

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Post by heisnotanalien »

mlevental wrote: post #387
heisnotanalien wrote: post #384

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So people work hard all their life for their wealth (maybe they earned a lot or maybe they were just frugal) and smart people think it is okay for the state to take 100% of it away? And you think that's okay? I just can't get my head around how anyone can think that's moral at all. Oh yes, I see this is teh same Guardian writer that was defending Stalin so no surprises really.

>I just can't get my head around how anyone can think that's moral at all. it's not rocket science: fair is value-system and ethics dependent. yes in a certain value-system and ethics it is not fair to give people advantages they didn't themselves earn. whether it's the right ethics/value-systems is up to you as an individual and us as a society to decide. really obvious example: weight classes in combat sports.

Well duh. That goes without saying.

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Post by dragonwriter »

throwaway1584 wrote: post #424
dragonwriter wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accusations in a lawsuit, even when they happen to support your preconceived biases, aren't the same thing as proof. Yes, the complaining parties in various lawsuits have levelled accusations of that (or, on the last case, substantially narrower accusations of which that description appears to be a somewhat hyperbolic generalization.) But anyone who can afford a court filing fee can put any accusation they want in a…

There are screenshots in the suits of concrete messages from people claiming they do each of these actions. At this point the question seems mostly to be about if this is systematic or just individual actions.

> There are screenshots in the suits of concrete messages from people claiming they do each of these actions

Screenshots, without evidence of provenance, of anyone saying anything are trivial to create; they aren't evidence just part of the accusations.

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Post by rayiner »

beingrealistic wrote: post #417
rayiner wrote: post #296

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At a higher-ranked law school, 80% of graduates will go into private practice, about evenly split by gender. What the prospects are at the other end has a big impact on the people coming in. As to what law firms do—they do about the same thing any Big Corp. does, and it works out at the entry level (at least as to gender) because the pool of applicants is gender balanced. The more interesting question is how they got…

why do you think the push to hire more women is the reason for the current gender balance in law hiring rather than a simple increase in the number of women choosing to pursue legal qualifications? there is a huge push to hire more women in tech yet it has done little so far to change the balance. there is certainly no hard barrier on women pursuing a tech career as there was for women pursuing a career in corporate…

There hasn’t been a huge push. What law firms did in the 1980s and 1990s was basically decide “we’re going to hire an equal number of men and women.” Eventually, women came to see law as a career women could pursue because there were lots of women in the profession. There were other women to be mentors and role models and friends. Eventually, the need for affirmative measures evaporated.

Having done both, I just find it difficult to believe that substantive preference (rather than the preference not to be in a single gender environment) has anything to do with it. I’m surrounded by highly analytical left brained women who dissect mortgage backed securities for a living. I think they would’ve been great programmers. But the path to being a programmer starts with being the only girl in your high school CS class, and that’s a huge disincentive.

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Post by sincerely »

heisnotanalien wrote: post #332
sincerely wrote: post #154

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You're referring to the concept of "intersectionality" which is very well accepted in the literature etc.

Sure but I rarely hear people talk about class which isn't so visible as other things. You can be a black woman born to professors or a working class white man born to garage store attendants.

Sounds like you need to hang out with more marxists :P

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Post by jnbiche »

KAdot wrote: post #297
colmvp wrote: post #126

I have to say, as an Asian male I found this comment by dirtyid in the article to be succinct and all too true: > "Pour one out for Asian males. Get screwed by affirmative action in education, media representation and now employment but can't get screwed on dating apps." Asian men constantly get grouped as a single entity when it comes to tech and aren't considered an added element of diverseness within the industry…

> Asian men constantly get grouped as a single entity As an immigrant who came to the US from a poor Eastern European country just a few years ago I feel the same about being labeled as "white". It blows my mind that for many people a guy of British descent who was born in the US and a woman from Russia who speaks very poor English are both just "white".

It's not just between foreign whites and American whites. Take a wealthy, white, highly-educated person from Connecticut, and a dirt-poor, white, high-school dropout from rural W. Virginia.

Both have "white privilege".

And so the poor, under-educated W. Virginian who claws his way up to being a self-educated programmer will be disregarded by Google along with the wealthy Connecticuter.

That simple fact bothers me immensely.

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Post by jnbiche »

frrp wrote: post #329
colmvp wrote: post #126

I have to say, as an Asian male I found this comment by dirtyid in the article to be succinct and all too true: > "Pour one out for Asian males. Get screwed by affirmative action in education, media representation and now employment but can't get screwed on dating apps." Asian men constantly get grouped as a single entity when it comes to tech and aren't considered an added element of diverseness within the industry…

Be So Good They Can't Ignore You.

> Be So Good They Can't Ignore You.

That's pretty much the story of Asian Americans (and Jewish Americans, for that matter).

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