I can't install Messenger on my MotoG3. It slows it the eff down to a crawl and drains the battery, even when I'm not using it.
Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger
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Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger
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Which is why they started doing them only after they have achieved world domination. Where are you going to go, myspace? Google+? To quote Mel Brooks' brilliant "History of the World, Part I" - "It's good to be the king".
More than 50% of my time is spent chatting in a specific small group of friends. We used Whatsapp before (when they didn’t have web access). Before switching to Facebook I tried convincing them to try Slack but alas that option lost out. Too bad, because I think Slack is a really good platform.
What was the reason to drop whatsapp? And why is slack better than facebook?
If you don't want to trust slack of facebook, rocket.chat is shaping up nicely as a self-hostable solution.
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I see it the opposite way. Using Messenge could give you a great way to use facebook without subjecting yourself to the News Feed Giant Tentacled Monster. Why not use Messenger without Facebook? My reason not to use Facebook was because it trivializes friendships. With Facebook, I wouldn't have to go out of my way to be "friends" with someone, so the relationship would be less meaningful. But Messenger doesn't share…
There's a ton of reasons to not use Messenger. 1. The mandatory "seen" indicator 2. All of your messages are beholden to a private company, permanently stored in plaintext 3. They analyze said messages to deliver advertisements. Seriously, one time I mentioned buying a Samsung SSD to my friend in chat, and all of a sudden I got a ton of SSD advertisements on the sidebar. Same thing when I mentioned Rick and Morty. 4.…
>2. All of your messages are beholden to a private company, permanently stored in plaintext
>3. They analyze said messages to deliver advertisements. Seriously, one time I mentioned buying a Samsung SSD to my friend in chat, and all of a sudden I got a ton of SSD advertisements on the sidebar. Same thing when I mentioned Rick and Morty.
These are poor complaints, unless your circle of friends is so insular on the the (justifiably) paranoid side of tech that everyone is running their own mail servers and using GPG day to day.
Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger
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The rationale that Facebook is using is chat isn't chat anymore, chat is a platform. You have Line/QQ/WeChat to thank for that. Cut the edges to funnel into the "core", and soup it up with platform features to compete with China. Personally I'm not convinced that "Westerners" are going to get on board with Chinese-style all-in-one chat apps. I'm doubly unconvinced that Facebook will pull it off.
As a westerner, WeChat was one of the coolest apps I encountered living in China. That said, we should probably consider all of these platforms harmful. I've migrated (and been pressuring my connections to migrate) to Telegram.org
But Telegram is still based on another proprietary, centralized server. I don't see how this solves anyone's problems.
Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger
#425So rather than fixing the problems that result in users messaging via the mobile web app instead of the messenger app, they're just going to "solve" the problem by forcing users to use the messenger app? This is why Facebook as a company doesn't have high levels of consumer trust. This will bite them in the future. Once you lose that level of trust it is extremely difficult to gain back.
I'm not a FB fanboy or anything, but sometimes it is a good choice to free yourself from legacy tech burden and build for the future. The web (html documents fetched via http requests) were not built with mobile devices in mind, especially websockets. In the mobile era, all messaging is based on push notifications which must go through the device vendor (APNS or GCM), and trying to support the legacy tech in this lan…
" In the mobile era, all messaging is based on push notifications "
Says you. I'm perfectly happy not knowing about my FB messages until I go look for them. I DON'T WANT them pushed to me. If they want to send me something that needs to be read quickly, use email. Or gasp phone/text/whatsapp (I use the latter begrudgingly because whatsapp has pretty much replaced texting in lots of Europe).
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You could just de-friend them.
...or unfollow them. Most of the time, if someone complains about "stupid discussions/content" or anything alike, I feel that facebook just isn't used in its full potential. I unfollowed/unfriended/blocked all the connections to people who produce content which isn't enriching my browsing experience. As a result I follow around 10% of my facebook friends, which is a set of about 200 connections with (mostly) valuable…
I would end up with about 10% or less like you said. I figured if I'm going to start deleting people I'll just delete FB wholesale. Just helps me get spied on anyway.
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The simple reason I do all the communication I can on FBM is that I know it won't get lost in some spam filter.
Perhaps a more nuanced reason is that you don't know it got lost in some spam filter. Out of sight, out of mind... [1] https://consumerist.com/2012/01/04/how-facebooks-message-spa... [2] http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how-to-check-facebook-spam-emai... [3] http://www.cosmopolitan.co.uk/entertainment/news/a42460/anot... [4] http://uk.businessinsider.com/facebook-filtered-message-requ...
I came across these articles a while ago and decided to check my filtered messages just out of curiosity. I hardly ever use fb anymore so I didn't expect to find anything. Lo and behold though, there was a two year old message from my best friend from elementary school who I had lost touch with forever ago. Lesson learned: don't trust Facebook with anything important, they'll fuck it up even if it's one of their core features.
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I see it the opposite way. Using Messenge could give you a great way to use facebook without subjecting yourself to the News Feed Giant Tentacled Monster. Why not use Messenger without Facebook? My reason not to use Facebook was because it trivializes friendships. With Facebook, I wouldn't have to go out of my way to be "friends" with someone, so the relationship would be less meaningful. But Messenger doesn't share…
There's a ton of reasons to not use Messenger. 1. The mandatory "seen" indicator 2. All of your messages are beholden to a private company, permanently stored in plaintext 3. They analyze said messages to deliver advertisements. Seriously, one time I mentioned buying a Samsung SSD to my friend in chat, and all of a sudden I got a ton of SSD advertisements on the sidebar. Same thing when I mentioned Rick and Morty. 4.…
5. Accesses and mines your phone book. (My rolodex is my business and no way FB or LI are getting it direct from me.)
Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger
#429This is kind of convenient; it gives me one more excuse not to use facebook. A few days ago I got the usual notification email that somebody had sent me a message on FB. Clicking is a low barrier so I clicked, curiously. Then I instead got the "No, now you have to install Messenger app" screen. That was enough of a barrier that I said "oh forget it, who cares, anybody who knows me would know better than to send me an…
I use Messenger mostly because it's the only app that's actually achieved quorum amongst people who I talk to. If that weren't true, I wouldn't use Messenger, and if that's not true for you, I can understand not using it. I don't really understand, however, why folks like you try to make this a morality issue.
I never mentioned morality, what do you mean?
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>> "If someone wants to mess with you they can just keep calling you and your only choice is to block them and remove them from your friends list" This seems like either a made up scenario or you have weird friends. Who would keep calling someone to 'mess with them'???
You know people harass others, right? It's not "made up". Come on.
Of course - why are you friends with these people on Facebook then?? The OP mentioned that blocking was not a viable solution which indicates that he wants to keep them as friends on Facebook. If your friends are harassing you get better friends.