Isn't Andon Labs the SF startup that burned a bunch of money having AI run a shop into the ground?
That's the startup, though the SF market store is still running and open. It looks like their AI-run cafe in Sweden is still running for now as well.
Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously
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#412Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…
>It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights.
Current human CEO outcome.
Honestly, the C level are already finance maximising stochastic parrots so this tool seems perfect tbh.
Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously
#413Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…
People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.
I don’t know a single developer who has an agent write 99% of their code. Is that the norm outside of my bubble?
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#414Earlier quoted context omitted.
People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.
I don’t know a single developer who has an agent write 99% of their code. Is that the norm outside of my bubble?
it's the norm in my bubble
Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously
#415Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…
People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.
>Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code.
>But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.
Coding is pattern matching and still requires a human in the loop to manage.
But, any human in the loop managing the "Ai management" is the manager, by definition.
Only way true Ai management is viable is via non LLM Ai, so completely depends on advancements there.
Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously
#416Earlier quoted context omitted.
People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.
I don’t know a single developer who has an agent write 99% of their code. Is that the norm outside of my bubble?
It writes all the code but we often have to go through several iterations. It won't work autonomously yet.
Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously
#417Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…
People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.
First rule is AI cannot make a management decision
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I don’t think this is true at all. Maybe if you have an agent writing some of your code it will be 99% because its so verbose but I don’t think the modal software engineer is a vibecoder.
If you think that all instances of using AI to write code is vibe coding and you can't even spell model you might not last much longer
I think this is an uncharitable misinterpretation of the parent comment. I took “modal engineer” to mean “the statistical mode of engineers”, not a misspelling of “model engineer”. Which means I think you’re in agreement that using AI to write code is not necessarily vibe coding and that vibe coding is not what the majority (mode) are doing.
But I may be wrong.
Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously
#419Earlier quoted context omitted.
People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.
I don’t know a single developer who has an agent write 99% of their code. Is that the norm outside of my bubble?
Yeap, one more data point here. Most of code here is AI generated with some handcrafted adjustments.
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> Silly and pointless criticism. Why do the semantics of the word intelligence matter? It matters because, we're still sorting out what intelligence means for an AI agent. As you pointed out, language evolves over time. The question remains whether or not attributing intelligence to the current iteration of models is correct. This is not settled and I don't see why it's wrong to bring it up.
It's not wrong to bring it up, but the other comment did not "bring it up". It purported to correct someone by categorically stating "it is not intelligence, you are wrong and I am right" , while not once saying what, then, intelligence is. One thing is clear: LLMs at least already are capable of 1) not making the same mistake that person made, and 2) clearly seeing why the other person's post was "wrong" in both rea…
I mean, here's a pretty good starting point then: https://aclanthology.org/2020.acl-main.463.pdf