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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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watchlists existed for decades

Which watchlist was it again for using alternative operating systems?

Well they're secret, so it's impossible to know unless you're under NDA with a security clearance.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Oh, I missed that "let us now, assembled noble lords, end this abominable institution through which we have become filthy rich. And my lords, what say ye regarding pushing drugs to the wretches of Asia?" As they like to say in England, bullocks!

So you can’t do a good thing just because you do other bad things? So you must be either a saint (who also did a lit of bad things) or the devil himself (who punishes bad people). You could just simply acknowledge the fact that Britain was one of the first major powers to abolish slave trade and later slavery across its empire, and it actively pushed other countries to follow.

>> the country that has done the most for the cause of freedom

That is the claim that has been challenged by many here. It's just too much, and I am not even Irish ..

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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post #78

OI mate, you got a loicense for that operating system? The only surprising thing about this story is that the user didn't get a visit by the police to be charged with a "non-crime cybersecurity incident". The UK has become such a shithole.

Non-crime hate incidents 1) never lead to people being charged, and 2) recording of them has been greatly reformed following a court ruling and new legislation I agree there are a lot of problems (e.g. the online safety Act) but it look as though both the rest of Europe and the rest of the west is going the same way. I also assume this incident was not in the UK as the details were shared on imgur which blocks the UK…

No, the "rest of Europe" is not going the way of outlawing e2e encrypted iCloud backups and other bullshit your shitty government is pulling on you, stop deluding yourself.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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> If my salary is 150k and I spend 5k that's 3.3%. > If my salary is 60k that same 5k is 8.3%. So? The US federal taxes are not a constant dollar amount. Someone who earns $60k pays $5,020, someone who earns $150k pays $24,734, from the first tax calculator I found. Same idea in the UK. > So when I am talking about "cost" I mean hours of labor. It costs Americans fewer hours of labor to pay for their healthcare. This…

My argument is our basic NHS level care costs us less labor to reach and that the rest of that spend is a luxury on nicer facilities, equipment, rooms, food, nurses and other personal which we are happy to spend because it's a luxury we have that only the rich in the UK can afford while in the US at least the middle class can reach that level. We also classify these costs as healthcare when you might classify them in…

> My argument is our basic NHS level care costs us less labor to reach and that the rest of that spend is a luxury on nicer facilities, equipment, rooms, food, nurses and other personal which we are happy to spend because it's a luxury we have that only the rich in the UK can afford while in the US at least the middle class can reach that level. We also classify these costs as healthcare when you might classify them in a different way as luxury add ons.

Your argument is false.

Americans on average spend about as much per person as the average UK citizens spend on the NHS even though that care doesn't even reach all Americans because not all Americans are eligible for it.

You call an ambulance in the UK? Free*. You give birth in the UK? Free. When I was a kid and slipped into some ashes and burned an arm? Free care. When I was at university, hadn't gotten around to registering with a local doctor, had testicular torsion? Free surgery. Panic attack making me worried I was having a heart attack? Free both in the UK and again in Germany when I moved country. Accidentally peeled a finger on the inside of a tomato tin while making dinner (by this point in Germany)? Free treatment.

What do these things cost in practice in the US? I see the same viral bills as the rest of us, not lived experience, i.e. hundreds to tens of thousands for each of those things, and also reports claim the "average bill for a natural birth in the US comes in at $30,000": https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-37555048

* to the user, obviously. "No bill at point of service, paid for by everyone's collective taxes" is functionally the same as "no bill at point of service, paid for by everyone's collective mandatory insurance". In fact, the UK calls it "National Insurance" though there's a whole argument about how correct the name is, while Germany it's literally a small list of mandatory-for-everyone-to-pick-one insurance corporations with so little room for manoeuvre between them they may as well be government owned.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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This confuses so many people - the Uk has a series of constitutions and a very strong and historical legal basis for rights. It’s not strictly codified in one purposely written document but it does exist. And it’s a mistake to say if there’s no constitution then you have no fundamental rights. The UKs system is a hodgepodge but so is having a written constitution that can be regularly amended or otherwise ignored.

Like trial by jury... Oh wait. Going this year Or freedom of protest... Er ehm, that was three years ago Well at least no Double jeopardy... until 2003 Right to silence! Oh no not that one either Shrugs and scratches head

I’m not really defending the system, just making the point about a form of constitution existing. Even if the things you mention were nailed down in a constitution, that constitution could be amended to undo them, same as every other form of law.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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post #9

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Or you could just choose not to use pornography. Then you don't have to verify your age to these websites. I get that some people have a behavioural addiction to this harmful content but perhaps the age verification is an opportunity to step back and reconsider.

First they came for the porn watchers And I did not speak out Because I was not a porn watcher

Almost everyone has watched porn, especially the people who want to outlaw it.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

#417

Something's off about this one. Using GOS itself is not a crime, unless you use it to commit crimes.

Well, he didn't get charged with one. But that's not all authorities do. He's probably on a secret watch list and will be stopped every time be crosses a border, etc.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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post #81

- Heavy censorship - Two-tier justice system - This How did it come to this? The UK is arguably the country that has done the most for the cause of freedom, having led the way in abolishing slavery.

> How did it come to this? Trying not to get my account banned... The British elite allied with non-British people and betrayed their own.

photios is being racist against immigrants in case anyone didn't catch his meaning. He's saying the elites are betraying Britain's racial purity

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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post #414

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My argument is our basic NHS level care costs us less labor to reach and that the rest of that spend is a luxury on nicer facilities, equipment, rooms, food, nurses and other personal which we are happy to spend because it's a luxury we have that only the rich in the UK can afford while in the US at least the middle class can reach that level. We also classify these costs as healthcare when you might classify them in…

> My argument is our basic NHS level care costs us less labor to reach and that the rest of that spend is a luxury on nicer facilities, equipment, rooms, food, nurses and other personal which we are happy to spend because it's a luxury we have that only the rich in the UK can afford while in the US at least the middle class can reach that level. We also classify these costs as healthcare when you might classify them…

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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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> In the UK I'd be worried about being arbitrarily arrested, deported, and banned from re-entry. That's not going to happen unless you commit a serious crime, in which case it's not arbitrary. I can't think of a single case that's made the news. Meanwhile across the pond in America you have the nightly news reporting on children and people in cages screaming. People being rounded up for not being white. Little to no…

By "commit a serious crime" I assume you mean "publicly state that I support Palestine Action" or maybe "hold a blank sign at a protest". Those are serious crimes in the UK now. But as I said, the worst they're going to do is kick me out, not kill me, and that makes the difference.

Small factual correction: the barrister holding the blank sign was not in fact arrested.
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