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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by josteink »

rockskon wrote: post #184
brightball wrote: post #45

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It’s not if you’ve paid attention to political trends for the last 15 years. Everything is happening at the same time in every country. It’s clearly being coordinated.

It's almost like a well-monied or well-connected lobbyist is pushing this heavily. Multiple contenders out there as to who it could be. But regardless of who the originator is, the push can be kneecapped. Imagine jurisdictions that have an opposite push - one that criminalizes use of age verification software such as mandating providing government ID or facial scans. It can be done!

This Reddit thread claims to have identified Meta/Facebook as a/the major villain (for age verification):

https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_b...

Disclaimer: I have not myself verified the claims.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by [deleted] »

kimixa wrote: post #189
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #121

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> Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. This is absolutely not true. Here in the UK schools are swarming with ipads and shit like that. They're given to primary school children because they're "more engaging". Children are supposed to practice their reading and even handwriting[1] on ipads. Naturally they're on youtube instead. It's really bad. As far as…

There's no (state) school giving out tablets that aren't pretty much single-use locked down devices. That's the parents. The expectation that "Parenting" is now outsourced to Teachers, to the Government, to anyone else. People seem to expect they just have a kid, and somehow magically they'll grow up to be a perfect person without any work from themselves. So there's over-reach, there's pressure on making "unworkable…

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

kimixa wrote: post #189
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #121

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> Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. This is absolutely not true. Here in the UK schools are swarming with ipads and shit like that. They're given to primary school children because they're "more engaging". Children are supposed to practice their reading and even handwriting[1] on ipads. Naturally they're on youtube instead. It's really bad. As far as…

There's no (state) school giving out tablets that aren't pretty much single-use locked down devices. That's the parents. The expectation that "Parenting" is now outsourced to Teachers, to the Government, to anyone else. People seem to expect they just have a kid, and somehow magically they'll grow up to be a perfect person without any work from themselves. So there's over-reach, there's pressure on making "unworkable…

> The expectation that "Parenting" is now outsourced to Teachers, to the Government, to anyone else. People seem to expect they just have a kid, and somehow magically they'll grow up to be a perfect person without any work from themselves. So there's over-reach, there's pressure on making "unworkable" soutions, because the people they're trying to force "solving" the problem aren't the people in the best position to do so.

NOT giving children addictive devices isn't not outsourcing parenting, it's basic social responsibility. Like not giving them cigarettes. I find it encourating that most other commenters understand this.

> There's no (state) school giving out tablets that aren't pretty much single-use locked down devices.

False, and this betrays that you have no experience with what you're talking out.

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curt15 wrote: post #161
coldtea wrote: post #132

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>> > Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. > This is absolutely not true.Here in the UK schools are swarming with ipads and shit like that. They're given to primary school children because they're "more engaging". Children are supposed to practice their reading and even handwriting on ipads. Naturally they're on youtube instead. It's really bad. And how…

The schools could also simply not distribute tablets or laptops to students. The technology has not produced noticeably better readers, thinkers, or writers compared to the days when students read actual books and wrote on paper.

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

kimixa wrote: post #290
fxtentacle wrote: post #237

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In theory „There's no (state) school giving out tablets that aren't pretty much single-use locked down devices.“ In practice, most schools lack anyone with enough technical literacy to lock down the device. So they just hand out unlocked cheap android tablets with all the stock spyware and advertisement pre-installed.

They don't "hand out" anything really - probably the closest thing is government programmes to fund laptops/tablets for low income families, but not a single school locally "gives out" tablets to kids. But they're all just "normal retail" devices. They have some things used in lessons, but they're all given out at the beginning of the lesson, then gathered at the end. You could argue that it's a problem they they ass…

Again, this is not true. Some public schools do buy ipads and licenses and do hand them out and some times they're unlocked. You COULD do a basic google search and learn about the topic on the news, you're you don't actually care to learn, you're just spreading noise.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #188
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #151

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> > B) schools aren't in fact obligated to enable those, and some don't. > The technical problem is solved, if they don't want to implement the solution that's on them. Just to be clear - do you not understand that a parent might be parenting, but some times their children is in care of a school? Your focus on "a technical solution exists" is missing the real issue here, and it's not a technical one.

>but some times their children is in care of a school? And not only that but some of those times are dinner break, on a school campus with a thousand other kids and barely any supervision. Even if phones are banned, it's easy to hide one and for a child to be showing their friends unhinged stuff they found on 4chan. And some of those times are on a bus carrying at least 50 kids when they're 'supervised' only by a dri…

That's a good point.

But you know, I find it frustrating that the people we're talking to clearly have no experience with the subject but they come in here and state with confidence they're opinion on something which is for them a hypothetical. They don't know what's going on.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

sureMan6 wrote: post #190
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #121

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> Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. This is absolutely not true. Here in the UK schools are swarming with ipads and shit like that. They're given to primary school children because they're "more engaging". Children are supposed to practice their reading and even handwriting[1] on ipads. Naturally they're on youtube instead. It's really bad. As far as…

Checking what the school is exposing the children to is part of parenting, if enough parents demand parental controls on the iPad you'd get that. Also it sounds insane that any school is given children iPads, if anything the studies show worse outcomes with iPads

> Checking what the school is exposing the children to is part of parenting, if enough parents demand parental controls on the iPad you'd get that.

Yes, but often times enough parents DONT demand that.

Most parents think "ipads are a good thing children need to learn tech in order to have good jobs". Other parents think "ipads aren't good but if I complain I'll be that annoying parent that no one likes". Only a minority is vocal.

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Post by ultratalk »

NonHyloMorph wrote: post #341
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #170

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100% agree with you. I'm not arguing for regulating websites. In my scenario the schools are the actual problem. (EDIT: Actually, Meta and such companies are the actual problem, but in our world nobody expects that they have anybody's best interests in mind. But schools should.) I was strictly only responding to the phrase "this is a solved problem you just have to parent".

LoL scapegoat found. Actually not a bad idea. "Your child must not bring any digital end device, that is, in fact or in principle capable to connect to the internet, and display graphical content in any form other than text. Needs for telecommunication do not constitute a claim for exemption. Parents who want their child to be able to make calls from a mobile phone, may supply their child with what's colloquially cal…

In my country, state schools strictly forbid students from bringing devices to school. This rule was actually introduced because of the haves/have-nots issue here, because many kids are too poor to afford devices. The schools themselves don't provide devices because it would be prohibitively expensive due to the large student population. Most private schools don't allow devices either.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by zelphirkalt »

muyuu wrote: post #393
ab_testing wrote: post #255

Why are Linux operating system providers taking it upon themselves to comply with the California law especially if they are not selling anything. Since it is just a downloadable piece of software then it is up to California state to set up a firewall to protect themselves from such harmful software. Let's say I am a generic linux developer who develops variants of Debian Linux while sitting in my basement in any part…

because the laws are coming with massive fines and penalties that will apply to people not even selling anything unless you can confidently dodge American law enforcement, which is a big ask unless you are solidly anonymous somehow, then you are forced to react in some way

These days it seems best to not be in the US or any vassal country, in order to avoid this ridiculous overreaching of "we are the center of the world" lawmakers in the US.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by zelphirkalt »

gmueckl wrote: post #335
iamnothere wrote: post #327

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If you came to my website and downloaded something, I did not export it. Maybe you imported it, that’s on you.

I am not a lawyer. Still, my two cents are: You didn't geobock the download or prompt for then user's address first in your scenario. So it may constitute export because it would be reasonable to assume that you clearly intended to make it available worldwide. Phil Zimmerman was investigated for illegaly exporting munitions because he made PGP available via FTP. The case was settled, so I don't know whether this argu…

Maybe some investigation worked this way, but to me it seems obvious twisting of supposed intention. If I don't geoblock, it is not necessarily because I want the thing to arrive somewhere. It can simply be, that I don't care who downloads it, or I don't want to waste my time with crazy laws, that I might not even know about. If Kiribati decides to have a new law, I probably won't even ever hear about it. Suddenly, me not knowing laws of another country, that don't even apply to me as citizen of my own country get construed into me "wanting to export"? Lol, what a silly line of thinking, which can only come from some people, who do everything to get to someone, including arguing in a completely twisted illogical way, and judges, who are removed from reality letting such a thing happen.

If we allow this shit to happen, be prepared for evolution deniers to push their nuts agenda through the same channels and similar. Suddenly, we won't find wikipedia articles any longer and suddenly having a blog about biology will lead to one being investigated.

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