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Post by cbeach »

csmpltn wrote: post #36

A good reminder of how things actually work, but the article could use some more balancing… > Let that sink in. You scanned your European passport for a European professional network, and your data went exclusively to North American companies. Not a single EU-based subprocessor in the chain. LinkedIn is an American product. The EU has had 20 years to create an equally successful and popular product, which it failed t…

> The EU has had 20 years to create an equally successful and popular product, which it failed to do. American companies don’t owe your European nationalist ambitions a dime.

So true.

There's a lot of passive-aggressive anti-US rhetoric and fearmongering on HN at the moment, while America is simply doing what it's always done - innovating and thriving.

As a European, I wish our continent was able to be more like America, as opposed to jealously coveting its outcomes.

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Post by egorfine »

jcheng wrote: post #348
egorfine wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A KYC provider is a company that doesn't start with neutral trust. It starts with a huge negative trust. Thus it is impossible to believe his words.

Can you say more? Why isn't it neutral or slightly positive? I would assume that a KYC provider would want to protect their reputation more than the average company. If I were choosing a KYC provider I would definitely want to choose the one that had not been subject to any privacy scandals, and there are no network effects or monopoly power to protect them.

> Why isn't it neutral or slightly positive?

Because KYC is evil in itself and if the linked article does not explain to you why is that then I certainly cannot.

> KYC provider would want to protect their reputation more than the average company

False. It is exactly the opposite. See, there are no repercussions for leaking customers data, while properly securing said data is expensive and creates operational friction. Thus, there are NO incentives to protect data while there ARE incentives to care as less as possible.

Bear in mind that KYC is a service that no one wants, anll customers are forced and everybody hates it: customers, users, companies.

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Post by attila-lendvai »

astura wrote: post #339
SilverElfin wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we believe they are deleted after processing and not shared with the government?

What's the government going to do with a picture of the ID they, themselves issued to you?

it's one service collecting ID's issued by dozens of governments.

the already too centralized is being made even more centralized here.

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Post by tokenless »

g8oz wrote: post #311

It seems to me that if you let Persona verify your identity you're essentially providing data enrichment for the US government. In exchange for what? A blue tick from a feeder platform like LinkedIn, Reddit or Discord? No thanks. On the other hand it can be hard to escape if it's for something that actually matters. Coursera is a customer. You might want your course achievements authenticated. The Canada Media Fund a…

> On the other hand it can be hard to escape if it's for something that actually matters.

E.g. Job applications, rental references, clearance at existing jobs, citizenship and visa applications, digital signing for things like business contracts.

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Post by nine_k »

trinsic2 wrote: post #393
nine_k wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A LinkedIn account's sole purpose is publishing, dissemination, and advertising information about you and your company. Anything that you badly want to keep private certainly does not belong there, much like it does not belong to a large roadside billboard. Otherwise, LinkedIn can be quite useful in searching for a job, researching a company, or getting to know potential coworkers or hires. Email spam is, to my mind,…

You sound like someone that wants to normalize bad behavior. Good luck with that. I would never use a social networking site to find people or jobs. I'm not going to put support behind a entity that doesn't respect privacy and the fact that they are people who don't care, like you, are the problem and why we are in the situation we are in as a country at this point.

I won't call it a social networking site. I'd call it a business-card-exchange site, plus a corporate-flyers-handout site, and of course a self-promotion site.

Selling emails is of course bad, but expecting your email that you give to any big corporation to stay private for a long time is, alas, naïve. I've read the fine print; in most EULAs it includes a ton of clauses about sharing your contacts with a bunch of third parties, etc. LinkedIn, in particular, explicitly says that it may share your contacts with advertising partners.

In other words, if you need to enter this space, wear a hazmat suit, expect no niceties.

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Post by dataflow »

aylmao wrote: post #288

I'll note that Persona's CEO responded on LinkedIn [1] pointing out that: - No personal data processed is used for AI/model training. Data is exclusively used to confirm your identity. - All biometric personal data is deleted immediately after processing. - All other personal data processed is automatically deleted within 30 days. Data is retained during this period to help users troubleshoot. - The only subprocessor…

If he's really so confident these assurances will stand scrutiny then why doesn't he put them in the agreement and provide legal assurance to that effect?

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Post by pyrale »

aylmao wrote: post #288

I'll note that Persona's CEO responded on LinkedIn [1] pointing out that: - No personal data processed is used for AI/model training. Data is exclusively used to confirm your identity. - All biometric personal data is deleted immediately after processing. - All other personal data processed is automatically deleted within 30 days. Data is retained during this period to help users troubleshoot. - The only subprocessor…

> pointing out that

Certainly, you mean: "claiming that".

In the terms of Mandy Rice-Davies [1], "well he would, wouldn't he?" Especially, his claim that the data isn't used for training by companies that are publicly known to have illegally acquired data to train their models doesn't look very serious.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_he_would,_wouldn%27t_he%3...

Re: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

I have a LinkedIn account and I occasionally have recruiters cold phone call me. They always tell me they got my phone number from LinkedIn. The first time this happened I deleted my number off LinkedIn, which was not shared according to their settings but was being used for 2FA. I still occasionally get these calls, and I'm unsure if LinkedIn is still letting people buy access to my deleted phone number, or if the recruiters are just lying and getting my number from some creepy stolen data service.

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Post by bell-cot »

talkingtab wrote: post #111

Somehow the fundamentals of places like linkedin, gmail, google, facebook, etc have eluded people. 1. they are selling you as a target. 2. some people, governments, groups, whatever are willing to pay a lot of money to obtain information about you. 3. why would someone pay good money to target you unless they were going to profit from doing so. are they stupid? no. 4. where does that profit come from? If some one is…

a.) But it's cool and shiny and all the cool kids are there AND IT'S FREE!!!

b.) And more-or-less pretty much nobody ever that I remember suffered real consequences for doing what all the cool kids were doing.

c.) Thinking about all that logic stuff makes me unhappy and my head hurt so I won't do that.

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