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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by pepperball »

array_key_first wrote: post #175
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> It's a shame the Lightning got discontinued. > As an EV owner, it sucks that the main thing holding the technology back is misconceptions and misunderstanding, rather than actual practical matters. The F150 Lighting (and the Cybertruck) are failing precisely because it was impractical. It was expensive, has limited range when doing actual "pickup truck" work, like hauling tons of construction materials. It was buil…

I don't think that market is a niche at all. From what I can tell, most pickup owners don't use them as a pickup. They use them as a more masculine pavement SUV. So, you'd think, the F150 L and Cyber truck would be perfect.

Man, a gun is so much cheaper.

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Post by palmotea »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #240
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https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/opinion/marie-gluesenkamp... : > It’s all but impossible to go into any rural bar in America today, ask for thoughts on pickup trucks and not hear complaints about the size of trucks these days, about touch-screens and silly gimmicks manufacturers use to justify their ballooning prices. Our economy, awash in cheap capital, has turned quality used trucks into something like a luxury…

> A reader might conclude that people who want a vehicle to pull a boat or haul mulch are misguided, or even dangerous. How about I just conclude that while pulling a boat or hauling mulch are completely OK things to want a vehicle for (*), one does not need a F150 with a front end that reaches my chest and has gas mileage to prove it. As many have noted, pickups like the 90s Toyotas did these things just fine for al…

> How about I just conclude that while pulling a boat or hauling mulch are completely OK things to want a vehicle for (*), one does not need a F150 with a front end that reaches my chest and has gas mileage to prove it.

Did you miss like the entire first half of the quoted passage? Because it kinda sounds like you're judging the people buying the trucks.

One buys from the options the market gives them, and the market often does not optimize for what consumers want. It optimizes for barely tolerable products that maximize profit.

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Post by wffurr »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #363
wffurr wrote: post #254

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Gas doesn't cost enough.

I think the problem is Trucks are a visible lifestyle preferences that does not align with yours.

You can have all the weird lifestyle preferences you want that don't involve conspicuous waste of natural resources and accelerating anthropogenic climate change.

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Post by gigatexal »

loeg wrote: post #57
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Nether does Tesla

Right. Musk extracts value from Tesla shareholders, rather than the other way around.

Exactly. Pay me billions in options or I’ll quit … how about building up the company that made you rich in the first place?

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Post by wffurr »

iancmceachern wrote: post #340
wffurr wrote: post #19

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>> no issues at all Other than all the CO2, CO, and NOx you've emitted over that time period. The government should have started taxing barrels of oil in the 70s.

Look at the same specs for the cyber truck. There is about twice the carbon in the manufacturing of these, so it counts on people driving them for hundreds of thousands of miles, I don't see that happening with them because you can't even take a normal road trip while towing. These things just aren't going to see the miles, because they can't. They're just not usable as trucks. https://insideevs.com/news/719434/tesla…

Yeah the Cyber truck is no prize either for emissions. It's not a good alternative.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

palmotea wrote: post #412
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #240

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> A reader might conclude that people who want a vehicle to pull a boat or haul mulch are misguided, or even dangerous. How about I just conclude that while pulling a boat or hauling mulch are completely OK things to want a vehicle for (*), one does not need a F150 with a front end that reaches my chest and has gas mileage to prove it. As many have noted, pickups like the 90s Toyotas did these things just fine for al…

> How about I just conclude that while pulling a boat or hauling mulch are completely OK things to want a vehicle for (*), one does not need a F150 with a front end that reaches my chest and has gas mileage to prove it. Did you miss like the entire first half of the quoted passage? Because it kinda sounds like you're judging the people buying the trucks. One buys from the options the market gives them, and the market…

No, actually, I did not. But I thought that the part that I requoted stood in a weird opposition to it ...

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Post by cmtm4 »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #170
grouchomarx wrote: post #20

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>I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics That and also it's just a bad product. >That said, even though it's not to my taste, I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one edit: agree there's a market…

> pickup truck should just be max utility Except the main demographic buying F150s is suburban dads driving to their office job.

I think the reason this take gets push-back in discussions (including here) is that it's highly regional.

I've lived in parts of the US where I doubt more than 10% of pickup trucks on the road (and there were a lot of them) were really justifiable purchases as trucks. They were aspirational purchases, and/or were selected for status/class/politics signaling.

I've lived other places in the US where the whole region had far fewer trucks (but a hell of a lot more Volvos... like, easily 10x as many as the other place) where I bet at least 50% of pickup trucks saw enough truck-use to really be justifiable.

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Post by rootusrootus »

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Range is the misconception, because people view range through the "sit and fill up then drive till empty" paradigm. That is not how EVs work or how they should be used. They should be charged overnight/when you are doing something else, and on road trips should be charged to align with other stops even if those stops are 10 minutes. It's rare that I have ever done the "sit in the car for 40 minutes waiting for charge…

That’s exactly the problem. I’d be happy to use an EV daily, as I drive short distances. But when I drive longer, then I don’t want to waste hours on charging. The other day I drove 700km in just about 5.5 hours (German Autobahn). Few stops to pee. With EV that would be few hours more (!). If this doesn’t bother you, then it’s fine. It matters to me though. Sometimes I also drive early in the morning 600km, and in th…

You are perhaps an edge case. For many people (the vast majority), you end up spending way, way less time refueling, even if the occasional road trip takes a little longer. It depends on how important time is to you.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

jandrese wrote: post #63
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> The depreciation of electric vehicles has made me appreciate those circumstances more and more. The depreciation for most EVs isn't all that different from that of new ICE vehicles. For a while, MSRPs were artificially inflated by the EV tax credit, which could give artificially worse depreciation appearance .

So now that the tax credits are gone we should expect to see the sticker prices on new EVs to drop right? Right? Any day now?

Idk why you make it sound like a hypothetical lol, the tax cuts already expired and price cuts already happened. HMC dropped their prices by $7k+ right after the tax credit expired

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Hamuko wrote: post #404
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> There's still brakes, suspensions, tires, etc. to sell to EV buyers. The brakes last a lot longer because of regen, everything else applies but is pretty marginal, although I had to pay BMW $500 to replace a tire on my i4 because of a nail. I could have shopped around for that I guess.

If you don't use your brakes and just regen all the time, you run the risk of having your brakes rust. https://nrsbrakes.com/blogs/supporting-articles/the-unused-b...

Yes, you are encouraged to slam on your brakes at least once a month to get the rust off. I live on the west coast (rain but low humidity and hardly any snow), so its less of an issue.
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