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Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by k1t »

scott_w wrote: post #395
tempodox wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same with movies. Piles of dead bodies are OK for children to watch but naked skin would be highly damaging.

I mean, these films usually get rated 15 or 18 in the UK, so I’d not say it’s “OK for children to watch.”

I think that's the classic US/UK culture split though.

US is strict on language and nudity, but comparatively lax on violence (except blood).

UK is lax on nudity and language (comparatively), but very strict on violence.

UK being the country that considered the word "ninja" too violent for children, for example.

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Post by simion314 »

johnb231 wrote: post #392
DecentShoes wrote: post #380

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I hereby declare that everything you like should be banned.

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>Implying that you like the idea of fucking your own children. You have just exposed yourself.

You imply that people that play shooter games like the dea of killing people, and people that play GTA like the ideas of being criminals and killing cops and innocents, do this people also exposed themselves?

Do you also imply same things for movie watchers and book readers ? And metal listeners are Satanists right ?

If we let the Christian extremists ban something without any proof then they will move to the next thing and soon enough they will ban your favorite video game because it gives you the option to be bisexual. (I read about such extremists moving from Texas to Ruzzia since Texas is not Christian enough, it did not end well)

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Post by northhnbesthn »

Aeolun wrote: post #282

I think it’s hilarious we allow stuff like Postal or Soldier of Fortune without a question, where the whole focus is on going crazy and murdering a whole bunch of people. But try to show a sensual human body, instead of one that’s ripped into small pieces, and oh my god, this is going too far!

To be fair, Postal and SOF haven’t been relevant in almost 20 years, though your point stands.

I wonder how a modern implementation of these two games would look given the vast visual improvements since then. I assume UE5 or 6 already comes with a Ghoul-esque framework ready to go. Though I hope they would feature a curmudgeon caricature of Jack Thompson.

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Post by MrMetric »

johnb231 wrote: post #392
DecentShoes wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hereby declare that everything you like should be banned.

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Bad-faith argument. Incest can also be between adult same-age siblings or cousins (and not everyone considers the latter case to be incest).

Also, I don't insult or look down on sick or disabled people. Why are you?

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Post by kelseyfrog »

bfg_9k wrote: post #368
oatmeal1 wrote: post #366

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Gender of who is murdered has a lot to do with it too. I don't think you'll find a video game where you predominantly kill women. The most infamous scene of murder in video games is the Call of Duty mission "No Russian" where you optionally commit terrorism at an airport. If you pay attention you'll notice they kill much more men than women, and made sure that despite pleasant weather none of the women were wearing d…

This genuinely baffles me. Who cares! It's a video game. It's pixels on a screen. True crime podcasts and movies are a-okay but when its a video game that's where the line is drawn?

The people who care signed their names[1]. It's not a secret or anything.

Most of the signatories are associated with Australian anti sex trafficking and exploitation groups, although there are several UK signatories and a couple Americans.

A publication[2] by one of the signatories connects the dots. It's driven by the core idea:

"Pornography Use Shapes and Changes Sexual Tastes"[3] which is supported by "In a survey of men involved in online sexual activities, 47% reported being involved in practice or seeing pornography which previously was not interesting to or even disgusted them."[4]

I'm trying to steelman when I say I believe that the authors would agree that this also applies to games with sexual content.

To address your comment specifically, while I see the appeal of consistent moral framework. I personally believe that moral frameworks trade consistency for completeness and rarely accomplish either. You have to assume the value-perspective of the other in order to understand why consistency might take a back seat to some other value we could only speculate on.

1. https://www.collectiveshout.org/open-letter-to-payment-proce...

2. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/391732869_Not_A_Fan...

3. ibid. pg 30

4. ibid

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

tempodox wrote: post #343
Aeolun wrote: post #282

I think it’s hilarious we allow stuff like Postal or Soldier of Fortune without a question, where the whole focus is on going crazy and murdering a whole bunch of people. But try to show a sensual human body, instead of one that’s ripped into small pieces, and oh my god, this is going too far!

Same with movies. Piles of dead bodies are OK for children to watch but naked skin would be highly damaging.

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Post by roenxi »

0xcafefood wrote: post #388
bfg_9k wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This genuinely baffles me. Who cares! It's a video game. It's pixels on a screen. True crime podcasts and movies are a-okay but when its a video game that's where the line is drawn?

There are still taboos even for pixels on a screen, even for video games. It's a good thing. There should be. Perhaps you're just saying that you're mostly comfortable with the depiction of some forms of violence in some contexts. But what about other scenarios though? Would you feel the same about a game where the player runs around raping women, or capturing and lynching escaped slaves? It's just pixels!

> Would you feel the same about a game where the player runs around raping women, or capturing and lynching escaped slaves? It's just pixels!

Yeah. Same thing. Should be ignored. If someone feels an urge to run around raping women and lynching slaves, I'd much rather they were sitting around at home playing videogames than doing anything else in their spare time. What do you want them to be doing, the traditional creep move of figuring out how to get into positions of power and influence?

In addition taxpayers shouldn't be footing the bill in the war on pixels; if the banks are taking a firm moral stand then clearly the government is involved and that means they're probably spending money on expunging victimless non-crimes which is a low.

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Post by lawn »

kingo55 wrote: post #88
lawn wrote: post #14

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And you could indeed use Bitcoin on Steam for a while! But then the blocks got full, fees and wait times skyrocketed, and in response to the customer backlash Steam removed Bitcoin. Meanwhile Bitcoiners were (and still are) only focused on number go up instead of other, more productive, use cases. Such a waste.

There's now Ethereum, Base and Solana featuring US dollar stablecoins and significantly cheaper fees. If you want to go a step further and eliminate the stablecoin issuer's counterparty risk you could even pay in the base asset of ETH. Shopify allows payments from crypto now, so Steam should try it again. Good luck censoring purchases on ETH.

There are plenty of alternatives to Bitcoin payments in the crypto space.

The problem isn't technical, the problem is getting people to care.

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