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The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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There are some misunderstandings in the comments that seem to stem from not having read the section, so I thought it was worth referencing the actual text [0]. It's quite short and easy to read. The most important bits: * Subsection (a) requires amortizing "Specified research or experimental expenditures" over 5 years (paragraph (2)) instead of deducting them (paragraph (1)) * Paragraph (c)(3) is a Special Rule that…

What i like about US is that compare to other countries (like for example Russia where i'm originally from) there is almost no lying and cheating here. Instead there is a respect of the law and an army of talented creative accountants and lawyers. Remember that stale "multi-used" sandwich served with the drink which by virtue of its existence converted drinking establishment into a food serving restaurant? Not being…

> almost no lying and cheating here

Are you living in an alternate world?

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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> What i like about US is that compare to other countries (like for example Russia where i'm originally from) there is almost no lying and cheating here. Instead there is a respect of the law and an army of talented creative accountants and lawyers I thought you were being sarcastic here at first because, good lord, there is plenty of corruption here in the US (though those doing it used to care more about hiding it)…

You have no idea about corruption if you haven't lived it in a BRIC country. The funny thing, is that people not from America say that there IS corruption, but at least it happens in the open. I think OP is saying the same.

Because this is SO much better..../s The only difference in style is that the American billionaire will corrupt everything and still say it is for your own good.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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Repealing SB174 has bipartisan support. The house already passed its repeal but it died in Senate because a separate took (that also repealed it) took its place but that separate bill stalled out. 174 is so small it can't go through both chambers on its own so it needs to get attached a larger bill like OBBA. It's unfortunate because it appears both sides want this repealed to allow immediate amortization of domestic…

> 174 is so small it can't go through both chambers on its own so it needs to get attached a larger bill like OBBA. There's a minimum size for laws?

Theoretically no, but congress won't vote anything that has no collateral advantages to everybody involved.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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If this was passed in 2017 to go into effect during the next presidential term, wouldn't that only work as a time bomb for Biden's presidency if Trump didn't expect to win a second consecutive term? Given the history of prior presidents winning 2 consecutive terms, it seems like Trump could have reasonably expected a 2022/2023 tax change to be his problem.

if you retain power, you can fix it. the US government currently has the significant problem that one party campaigns on the government being dysfunctional, so they do their best to make it so.

So.. criminal racketeering?

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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Removing it would make Congress less powerful, and we can't have that now can we.

How could Congress get less powerful than now?

That's how they like, more time to campaign and less work that may be impopular.

Thinking about it, the US government is going exactly the same way of the Roman republic.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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This is insane, how does it make sense? Employee salary expenses are no different from other expenses to run your business. Imagine they did this for raw material instead, a restaurant could only expense 20% of the food that they sell. If they purchased $100 worth of food, but could only sell $50 worth of it, they have to pay tax on that even when making a net loss overall. It just does not make any sense. There woul…

It makes sense when you consider that there is no minimum tax rate on businesses. Given the choice, Amazon would rather spend 100% of its profits on itself than allow any of its profits to be paid out in taxes. Section 174 was implemented without a minimum tax on corporate profits before voluntary deductions such as research. Therefore, it’s exploitable and all companies ought to hire and fire staff to ensure their p…

after 5 years then every year is deducting a whole year's worth of R&D - as long as that investment is not too lumpy from year to year you are back where you started

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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Who sponsored this text in the bill?

Here's the cosponsors of the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1/co... I think the purpose of the change was to "increase revenue": > Requiring that certain research or experimental expenditures be amortized over a five-year period or longer, starting in 2023, would increase revenues by $109 billion over the period from 2023 to 2027. https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/115th-cong…

> I think the purpose of the change was to "increase revenue"

Yes, but in a specific way: they were trying to offset the tax cuts they wanted so they could pass it via the reconciliation process and avoid the Senate filibuster. They didn't actually care about this revenue and the assumption from most people was that the specific carve-out would disappear in some future bill.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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There are some misunderstandings in the comments that seem to stem from not having read the section, so I thought it was worth referencing the actual text [0]. It's quite short and easy to read. The most important bits: * Subsection (a) requires amortizing "Specified research or experimental expenditures" over 5 years (paragraph (2)) instead of deducting them (paragraph (1)) * Paragraph (c)(3) is a Special Rule that…

But where an established company invests steadily in software, whether it is amoritized or deducted year to year is a wash. Rather than harm tech, this would seem to protect established US companies at the expense of startups. Thats probably great for shareholders in publicly traded companies. It seems just another querk of taxation meant to maintain the established order

Only bootstrapped startups, funded startups will get the amortization by the time they need to deduct from earnings.
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