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Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by adverbly »

nemo44x wrote: post #54

Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? I struggle to agree that it is. Housing is as bad as it has ever been and the immigration decisions seem to have been so careless that even people that would agree with immigration as a general principal are horrified by it by and large. The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. I guess it always ends bad if you stick around long enough.

Housing has gotten worse in many places.

I hate to be repeat a meme but land value tax would fix this.

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Post by 99_00 »

karaterobot wrote: post #40

I'm having trouble learning anything from this stream of disconnected, time-sorted tweetlike objects. I'm posting this on the off chance that a better article exists, and someone can point me to it. I assume it's too early for that though.

Canada has no term limit. Leaders stay on until they have lost the support of their party.

Often that happens after a devastating election loss.

In this case it is happening because of his extreme unpopularity before the election and his parties hope of improving their election prospects under a different leader

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Post by DwnVoteHoneyPot »

0xbadc0de5 wrote: post #115

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For the commenters that think this is hyperbole, here is my counter argument:

Inflation is a generational issue because prices have gone up and has made all Canadians poorer and this won't be undone until we have deflation (via a recession? more pain) or until wages increase faster than inflation does.

What are the chances we have deflation? Not likely when our Canadian Dollar is being devalued and Bank of Canada continues to decrease interest rates. Costs more and more for Canadians to import goods.

What would trigger wages or savings to increase beyond inflation in Canada at this point? All foreign investment has dried up. It will take many years to make Canada attractive again to foreigners and years before companies mobilize to come back. Maybe more export of oil and gas via pipeline or LNG terminals would help but that is not popular (Keystone XL is dead).

Out of control gov't spending (which has fed inflation) has cause gov't debt to sky rocket. This will take a generation to fix. First the new Conservative Gov't will have to get into power, then significantly cut spending (if they can). Reduction of gov't spending will reduce the economy (more pain).

If gov't is cutting spending, how will our medical system get better? It'll actually will get worse than it already is (more pain).

Immigration has caused rent and housing prices to go up. How long will this take to fix? We're not deporting anyone. Building new houses needs people who can afford new houses... did I mention inflation has made people poorer? How about a housing correction/crash (more pain)?

The damage that Trudeau has caused isn't done yet, even after he resigns. We're in for more pain.

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Post by cynicalpeace »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #170
busterarm wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with patio11's assessment here, if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them. Canadian politics (not uniquely here) is plagued with petty squabbles. The really meaningful political and social issues don't get any airtime.

> minorly-inconvenienced 120dB train horns at 2AM in the morning in a residential area is not a minor inconvenience.

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Post by adverbly »

jlos wrote: post #402

As a close watcher of Canadian politics, here's the best summary I can offer for those not familiar: Overal Picture Canada has seen gdp-per-capita decline for nearly every quarter over the past 3 years. Large stimulus spending during the pandemic fueled the housing crisis and added massive inflation. Stimulating the economy through similarly massive increases in Non-Permanent Residents has kept GDP afloat, but come a…

It's crazy how many of your points are related to housing, and how many of them would be fixed or at least massively improved by a land value tax.

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Post by layer8 »

Gormo wrote: post #367
staplers wrote: post #312

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We basically have 0 rights the moment a majority decides that we don't. That's literally what a democracy is and has been.. It will always seem great until you are the minority. America had human slaves built into its democracy until the majority said otherwise. Unsure why this is so shocking.

But that's the point of having constitutional limitations on political power and how it is exercised. Unfortunately, it's all to common to hear arguments that the exercise of political power should have no limitations so long as it's approved of by a quantitative majority.

A sufficient majority can change the constitution though. It’s impossible to have a mechanism that prevents that. So this is merely a debate of 51% vs. 67% (or whatever).

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Post by throwup238 »

mardifoufs wrote: post #370
staplers wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We basically have 0 rights the moment a majority decides that we don't. That's literally what a democracy is and has been.. It will always seem great until you are the minority. America had human slaves built into its democracy until the majority said otherwise. Unsure why this is so shocking.

I don't know of any western democracy that has something this blatant in their constitution, though I might be wrong: >A simple majority vote in any of Canada's 14 jurisdictions may suspend the core rights of the Charter. However, the rights to be overridden must be either a "fundamental right" guaranteed by Section 2 (such as freedom of expression, religion, and association), a "legal right" guaranteed by Sections 7…

> I don't think the US or France can just do a simple (parliamentary!) majority vote to override almost every right their citizens have.

What about the WWII Japanese internment camps? That wasn’t even a legislative action, it was Executive order 9066. There’s also the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act during the civil war.

I agree it’s not as blatantly spelled out in the Constitution but the mechanisms exist.

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Post by scheme271 »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #352
staplers wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We basically have 0 rights the moment a majority decides that we don't. That's literally what a democracy is and has been.. It will always seem great until you are the minority. America had human slaves built into its democracy until the majority said otherwise. Unsure why this is so shocking.

America is specifically designed not to be this and to prevent a tyranny of the majority because original immigrants to the USA were from minority religions where they lived in Europe and had been terrorized plenty.

And that designed failed spectacularly from the beginning. As the post you're replying to points out, slavery is essentially the majority deciding that a minority and their descendants have no rights whatsoever. This state of affairs lasted until the 1860s and even then those rights for the minority were severely curtailed until at least the 1960s.

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Post by anonporridge »

avgDev wrote: post #384
TriangleEdge wrote: post #262

I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

I feel like this site has a bit of a bias when it comes to the USA. Most devs are highly compensated in the USA and can afford whatever. Being poor or sick sucks here.

There is not and never has been any place on Earth where being poor and sick doesn't suck.
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