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Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by krageon »

eddyg wrote: post #219
nokeya wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was used by advanced users. And what advanced users do? Disable telemetry;) So, I suppose the share was a little bigger but not that much.

Or, just don't disable (anonymous) metrics . There's a BIG difference between tracking and metrics , but they are often treated the same, especially by "power users".

They're treated the same because they are the same, which people with domain knowledge (i.e. power users) are aware of.

A terrible way to get them to stop doing something you don't personally agree with is by starting your post with a bad idea, support it with a lie and close it with a personal attack.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by krageon »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #390
lionelw wrote: post #378

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Firefox restores all windows.

If you close your windows in the wrong order, you will lose your tabs and pinned tabs. Example: Have a primary window with you email, calendar and important sites pinned. Then open another window and open a few tabs. Then at the end of the day, close your primary window first, then discover you still have the secondary window open and close it as well. When you restart Firefox you will get the secondary window and yo…

You can reopen the window you're missing with ctrl+shift+n, the same way you open a formerly closed tab (only that's not n, that's t). I do agree it's irritating this isn't made more plain.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by antran22 »

I checked this out and I gotta say it is still in a very early stage. The features they are presenting seem nice, but not very usable, with a lot of rough edges.

Then I found this issue, where essentially they left a huge backdoor open with Remote Debugger: https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/pull/927. The guy claims that it was due to ignorance, but seeing this really shakes up my paranoia. Luckily I haven't typed any credential into the app. From a security-minded user's perspective, this is not a good sign. I hope that they would really put privacy & security forward, get some 3rd party security audits.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by cynical_slave »

TuxMark5 wrote: post #332
cynical_slave wrote: post #320

I want the newest open tab to be at the top of the list, not at the bottom. The top is where your mouse usually is, that's where the website controls are, that's where stuff happens. Having to move the mouse to the bottom to activate recent tabs is annoying, especially on huge monitors. It baffles me that none of the browsers or extensions that implement sidebar tabs have this option.

Sideberry for Firefox has settings that allow changing how new tabs behave. One of the settings allows placing new tabs on top of the list.

It seems Sideberry only allows opening new tabs at the beginning of the list. That is not the same as just sorting newest at the top, since it also switches the order of native tabs as well. I want native tabs (since we can't hide them) to remain left to right. And I can't even move the "New Tab" button to the top.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by lproven »

dartos wrote: post #207
immibis wrote: post #179

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Remember what happened to Thunderbird, though. Mozilla dropped it, and it got better. There are good reasons to think that Mozilla - the corporate entity - is cancer.

Isn’t thunderbird still part of Mozilla? It says it still is on their site.

Not really, no, it is not.

T'bird is owned and run by a for-profit company called MZLA.

That company is owned by the non-profit Mozilla Foundation but Mozilla does not own, run, operate, or control Thunderbird.

Comparison: Pret a Manger, the fancy sandwich chain, is part-owned by Mcdonald's. But you can't buy a Big Mac in Pret, and you can't buy a Pret fancy noodle salad in McDonald's.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by lproven »

cxr wrote: post #354
dartos wrote: post #348

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If the shoe fits

These are not good comments.

To me, they were clear, informative, and amusingly expressed.

But then I am a native speaker and a Brit and these are abbreviations of familiar expressions.

Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine

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Post by ikety »

gxonatano wrote: post #386

The problems these browsers are trying to solve aren't web browser problems, they're window manager problems. Your web browser shouldn't try to be a window manager. - If you want to have two web pages side-by-side, you don't need a web browser that can handle split panes. Just have each web page in its own window and use your window manager to put them side-by-side. Tiling window managers will do this automatically.…

I highly disagree with this. I use both terminal multiplexers and browsers with split window functionality for portability reasons. I use multiple operating systems in different environments and can't rely on a tiling window manager in some of them. I can rely on my terminal multiplexer and browser tiling working wherever I am running the program the same way every time.

This is all kind of just your opinion that you are stating as hard fact

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