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No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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I guess I'm still unclear about the first part of my question then.

What discrimination of men and women? I think we have to backtrack a bit here, what planet?

Are you being intentionally difficult? What discrimination is this comment thread referring to?

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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These are some of the opening remarks of this article: > It is usually the young father’s criminal behavior, the spells of incarceration that so often follow, a pattern of intimate violence, his chronic infidelity, and an inability to leave drugs and alcohol alone that cause relationships to falter and die.” > Over the past half-century, the number of men per capita behind bars has more than quadrupled. and this is t…

There is a massive disconnect there. I've met plenty of divorced people and lone-parents which are neither of those. And of course, my own experience is no data of any sort, but I've felt that having an unlimited amount of patience for any partner, or they having it for me, it's not assured on either part. In fact, I've the deepest admiration and respect for people who do manage to live with the same partner for more than a few years. How do you do it, guys?

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Damn. This is the first I’m hearing I wasn’t allowed to have a job AND play PS5. I’ll have to rectify this at once. What are the rising standards though? Not beating your wife?

>What are the rising standards though? If you're on a dating app, that's one impression of the dating pool, so it's no wonder some dudes take the 6'0"+, $100k+, abs or gtfo lists seriously And if you are wondering why they are being heavily influenced by that, gestures to article

Its not wrong the 80/20 rule applies to the dating apps in a real way, a small minority of males on them sweep the majority of matches and anyone not it the upper quartile may as well not even apply. When your part of the 80% of males in compilation against eachother for the lower 20% of matches it can be daunting. You can choose free porn, play games, drink, and hang with friends or fight the constant rejection, and pay for dating app middlemen to show you to more women and if you finally score date you still have to pay for both of you and have no guarantee that it will go any where. (Its not unheard of for women to use dating apps as a source of free meals.) So why not opt out.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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> Those who sit at or near the apex of the social ladder (who decide what behaviors are prestigious) have decided that family stability is unimportant. The author unironically writes this after pointing out that research shows that affluent families the share of families with biological parents has only dropped to 85% from 95% while the share for poor families has dropped to 30% from 95%. The idea that the social ape…

Several of the graphics in the article are from the book Coming Apart [1] which actually makes a more complex argument.

Specifically, it says the ruling class no longer publicly supports traditional family structures, despite continuing to follow them for themselves.

Nobody these days would have anything bad to say about single mothers, or unmarried couples. But when you look at the behaviour of the top 20 percent in socioeconomic status? They're all forming married two-parent households.

(The book covers a load of other topics and supports its observations a lot more than my short HN post, naturally)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming_Apart_(book)

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Could it simply be over-regulated in the housing generation aspect, but under-regulated in the housing distribution aspect?

These are (strongly?) correlated though, right? Over-regulating distribution should reduce generation because builders can’t depend as much on pricing signals.

I'm not sure. How do you measure "degree of regulation"? At face value it's an abstract concept with a lot of dimensions.

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> Amy, a white thirty-year-old mother of three, ages six, five, and three, had a boyfriend who worked steadily but insisted on spending on selfish pursuits. This is what eventually broke the young couple up. ‘He wouldn’t spend money for the kids’ food. I had to send my kids across the street to my mom’s to feed them and stuff. That’s what I got fed up with. I shouldn’t have to live like that…I said it’s time for him…

Your translation is dishonest and dumb. Having three kids doesn't mean they were from three different guys.

It was uncharitable to illustrate each child being from a different guy but the way the article worded it, it definitely seems like they are not the boyfriend's kids, so it isn't necessarily dumb to assert that the article has an uncharitable take on the boyfriend

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> “Chanel, a white thirty-three-year-old with three children, ages fifteen, nine, and three, broke up with her youngest child’s father just after we met her for the first time. When we ask about him later, she says dismissively, ‘He’s not around no more. I got rid of him…He was only here to sleep—didn’t want to pay no bills, didn’t want to do nothing. When he was here all he did was fight and argue and drink. I had t…

The reason women don't pick the "nice dorky Christian boy", is because of comments like this. Nice Guys turn everybody off.

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The problem is that god is dead; we killed him and as far as I know, there is no way to bring him back.

What is so great about religion as a reason to live? I want to live because life is fun some of the time and death is boring. Isn't that what Nietzsche was saying about "God is dead"? Did either of us read the book itself?

> I want to live because life is fun some of the time and death is boring.

It is good you found out. I found my contentment is similar, but for me it was a journey and it took most of my adult life to understand it. Some people do not agree with your assessment nor can they understand it at all. It is nice to have a simple “what is life for” explained in “because god said so” or short stories of sheppards and people living a simple life.

Regarding Nietzsche it took more than 2 millennia of western philosophy to get to him. For people that never were exposed to philosophy his works are as comprehensible as the Heisenberg uncertainty.

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Chronic pain (pvps) has a 1-2% incidence rate, and can be treated in many cases. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5503923/ Options for women include childbearing, which bears risk of severe medical complications and death; hormonal birth control, which is mood-altering, causes weight gain, unsatisfactory sex; IUDs with risk of chronic pain; and condoms which always seem to magically slip off.

1-2% of having permanent pain between my legs sounds like an ENORMOUS amount

Right. That's actually less than the failure rate of condoms used as intended. But you'll never experience childbirth, postpartum pain, and you can just walk away from a family if your partner's vagina is a source permanent pain for her.

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Man I hate when people use the phrase “broken home” unironically. My parents divorced when I was young and I can assure the writer that both of my homes were always whole. Do you know what breaks a home? Two people who no longer want to live together being forced to cohabitate because of regressive notions of the what makes an effective family. Definitely preferred swapping weekends with each parent to having to list…

Fellow kiddo of divorce here. One of my homes was whole. The other was an absolute shit-show from age 5 to 19, when I stopped talking to them. Bio-dad was useless. In fact, I felt quite represented overall by the article, what with it discussing how poor women will choose no man over a shit man. My mom definitely chose that, and I'm immensely better for it. I'm just disappointed I had to do mandatory visitations.

Luckily I got a step dad later on who stepped right up. I wouldn't be who I am today without him, he's awesome.

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