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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by dvt »

wayeq wrote: post #274
dvt wrote: post #100

It's clear that AI can be the catalyst for creating a lot of customer-facing value. (Though I still contend that the current incarnation of large language models ain't it yet.) Requiring a powerful (and power-hungry) GPU in all devices is non-tenable, so having a dedicated NPU is a pretty sleek way forward (that, to be fair, Apple spearheaded). I'm very curious to see what APIs will be open to developers, because I t…

> It's clear that AI can be the catalyst for creating a lot of customer-facing value. It clearly will be a catalyst for creating a lot of shareholder value... I'm less sure about the customer facing value of a lot of these products.

> I'm less sure about the customer facing value of a lot of these products.

I agree, but mostly due to the fact that there are no "products" yet.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by rationalfaith »

llsf wrote: post #190

I cannot wait to see Apple's response. While Microsoft announcement seems rush and products half backed/thought, there are on to something. I would hope Apple would learn from it, and find the right path. I would really like to have a AI companion that runs locally, on my dev laptop, tailored for my developer's needs. Something optimized for the hardware, and yet with tight privacy. Apple... your turn!

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Post by hehdhdjehehegwv »

Dalewyn wrote: post #127
hehdhdjehehegwv wrote: post #6

Wow, I’m continually floored by how bad Intel shit the bed. I remember not too long ago the only computer you would see is a “wintel” with a few esoteric graphic designers in Mac. I guess it’s now “warm”?

Intel (and AMD) are also going to be part of this line of computers: >We look forward to expanding through deep partnerships with Intel and AMD, starting with Lunar Lake and Strix. We will bring new Copilot+ PC experiences at a later date. I'm not blaming Microsoft for skipping Meteor Lake, it's been an awkward generation to say the least. Of course, if Lunar Lake sees delays then Intel really has shat the mattress.

Feel like corpspeak given the vast majority of their products ship on x86. You don’t want to come out and say your current and future products are garbage. Apple could do that because the own the whole stack, but not Microsoft.

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Post by mpeg »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #380
OnionBlender wrote: post #182

> "Easily find and remember what you have seen in your PC with Recall" I can't even get Windows File Explorer to reliably search for a file by name. It frequently freezes or shows no results.

Exactly my experience using Steam Deck desktop mode

I'm curious, why install windows on the deck?

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Post by spartanatreyu »

JohnFen wrote: post #299
bambax wrote: post #272

> We set out to solve one of the most frustrating problems we encounter daily – finding something we know we have seen before on our PC. Today, we must remember what file folder it was stored in, what website it was on, or scroll through hundreds of emails trying to find it. It is indeed frustrating that one still cannot search effectively a local device, but it doesn't need AI to solve. It needs a proper search engi…

It's really baffling, isn't it? A part of me wonders if Microsoft is simply unable to figure out how to make a good Windows search and so is looking for AI to do it for them. But it seems like shooting a mosquito with an elephant gun.

Microsoft has tried to make a "better" search before, by redesigning the file system and the metadata that can be tied to files.

The idea was that you could search this:

> the phone numbers of all persons who live in Acapulco and each have more than 100 appearances in my photo collection and with whom I have had e-mail within last month

They had hyped this up as coming in Project Longhorn (which was eventually split into Vista and salvaged in Windows 7), but the new filesystem was eventually dropped like their other attempts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinFS

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Post by yazzku »

AdamH12113 wrote: post #229

Billions of dollars to cram "AI" down our throats, but they can't be bothered to get Excel back up to the level of quality and performance it had 20 years ago.

Imagine the crass software quality of an AI startup on top of 30+ years of legacy code. That's Copilot+PC for you, boys. Enjoy it to the fullest when your company IT sends it your way.

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Post by EasyMark »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #64
soapdog wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coverage on Windows Central says it is all local. As for the law enforcement question, it doesn't matter. If they want to get info from your computer, they will and they don't need AI to help.

> If they want to get info from your computer, they will and they don't need AI to help. They wouldn't be continuously trying to ban encryption worldwide if that was true. There's plenty of things everyone can do to protect themselves.

I mean you can encrypt and refuse (forget?) the password in the USA, but there's really not much else. Judges (at least here in Texas) give out warrants like they're America Online (TM) CD's and the state attorney general is a well-known "alleged" grifter. It's looking real bad for the 4th amendment in the USA, it's on the ropes and has been especially since the Patriot Act kicked off a lot of police anti-constitutional actions.

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Post by wildrhythms »

chatmasta wrote: post #168
isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

Their first co-pilot (which still exists) was about pairing a second Xbox controller to your console.

I thought it was a reference to Microsoft Flight Simulator.

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Post by adastra22 »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #174
adastra22 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh man, what a fail. I loved the idea of the Surface, and was bummed out when they coopted the name for their PC/tablet line, as I assumed that meant the original product was dropped. I had no idea about PixelSense and I could have been a user.

Oblig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY ——- As an aside, when I was at MSFT in Building 40 in 2013 we had a Surface table in the lobby; it never worked as well as the demo videos made it look: the table-top wasn’t glass but had a rough rubberised protector layer on-top that ruined it, the built-in WPF-based demo apps that we played with were all somewhat janky: you’d get 12-15fps not 60fps, touch drag late…

Yeah you’d need 120Hz interaction with durable sapphire glass tops for this to really work. Hate to think what a crazy cost that would be.

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Post by w_for_wumbo »

"In fact, 87% of the total app minutes people spend in apps today have native Arm versions." - Are they meaning web browsers? I'm pretty sure the majority of time people spend in apps are web browsers, so it feels incredibly misleading if that's what they're referring to.
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