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Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by imiric »

phkahler wrote: post #77

To really be an AI PC, I'd want to be able to run something like llama 3 70B locally, and that's going to need a lot of RAM. Even running a 7B will take 14GB if it's fp16. So these really just need to be able to run a few MS AI apps. A quick googling tells me things like the Gen-AI in photoshop is actually done in the cloud, so that should still work but doesn't really require a special "AI PC".

You're not the intended market for this product. This is aimed at the general consumer who is interested in a fully tailored experience powered by "AI", and doesn't care whether the magic happens locally or in the cloud, not at someone who wants to run arbitrary models locally and tinker with the experience. Whether these machines can be repurposed for what you want to do, and whether the experience will be worth it, is yet to be seen.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by richdougherty »

Animats wrote: post #16

Will this run locally, or is part of the work outsourced? With "Recall", can law enforcement ask your laptop "Has your user done anything suspicious lately"?

A few details here: "Recall leverages your personal semantic index, built and stored entirely on your device. Your snapshots are yours; they stay locally on your PC. You can delete individual snapshots, adjust and delete ranges of time in Settings, or pause at any point right from the icon in the System Tray on your Taskbar. You can also filter apps and websites from ever being saved. You are always in control with privacy you can trust."

https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2024/05/20/introducing-copi...

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by diego_sandoval »

andersa wrote: post #74
dingle_thunk wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft has been consistently trying to give ARM a try since the surface RT. Consumers are not going to bite. marginal power saving is not meaningful.

No one cares for power saving. Turn it into higher performance at same power usage and people will bite. Of course it has to actually be a real upgrade like the Apple Silicon chips were.

People care about fan noise.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by isoprophlex »

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled.

There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand?

That org chart meme about Microsoft being little fiefdoms pointing guns at eachother never stops being relevant.

[1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-copilot/microsoft-...

[2] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2023/05/0...

[3] https://copilot.microsoft.com/

And [4] the meme itself, as you really can't convince me the above is the result of a coherent company-wide strategy https://i.insider.com/51dfec8469bedd5e19000017

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by CamperBob2 »

adastra22 wrote: post #114
CamperBob2 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's like their previous ARM Windows attempt, existing native software won't work in any event because the entire platform is locked down.

Windows 11 ARM isn't locked down at all. I run it on a daily basis.

You can run any legacy Win32 .EXE on it that you want? I didn't know that. Good to hear if true.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by adastra22 »

TonyTrapp wrote: post #69
gmueckl wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is another example of MS branding that is clear as mud. Skype vs. Skype for Business, Visual Studio vs. Visual Studio Code vs. Visual Studio for Mac, OneNote vs. OneNote for Windows 10... To my knowledge, each one of the products in this list is a completely different beast despite naming similarities.

And Surface initially was an interactive table (now called PixelSense) before they reused the name for their tablets. Which made it really difficult to find relevant information on developing software for the old Surface after the tablets were announced!

Oh man, what a fail. I loved the idea of the Surface, and was bummed out when they coopted the name for their PC/tablet line, as I assumed that meant the original product was dropped. I had no idea about PixelSense and I could have been a user.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by Dalewyn »

hehdhdjehehegwv wrote: post #6

Wow, I’m continually floored by how bad Intel shit the bed. I remember not too long ago the only computer you would see is a “wintel” with a few esoteric graphic designers in Mac. I guess it’s now “warm”?

Intel (and AMD) are also going to be part of this line of computers:

>We look forward to expanding through deep partnerships with Intel and AMD, starting with Lunar Lake and Strix. We will bring new Copilot+ PC experiences at a later date.

I'm not blaming Microsoft for skipping Meteor Lake, it's been an awkward generation to say the least. Of course, if Lunar Lake sees delays then Intel really has shat the mattress.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by resource_waste »

aquir wrote: post #58

The only issue is that these all run Windows…bloated, annoying, privacy intrusive in-your-face OS

I cannot imagine building on Microsoft in 2024. They have aggressively thrown their weight around doing anti-consumer moves. These are the warning signs they don't need to care about their customers and can fully exploit their market monopoly.

I still have ads after an update in windows 11 pro.

Not to mention I have file explorer bugs and one note path hijacking annoyances.

Legacy software is why we still use windows. There is nothing better about windows than say, Fedora.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by WillAdams »

nerdjon wrote: post #79
Animats wrote: post #16

Will this run locally, or is part of the work outsourced? With "Recall", can law enforcement ask your laptop "Has your user done anything suspicious lately"?

Even if it is run locally, does it sync between your devices? Considering we seem to be putting safety largely out the window, I can see someone saying "yeah I want to be able to ask my other computer what I did on a different computer" or whatever. Thats valuable! Ignoring the risks that involves. Also, even if it is run locally that likely means that some sort of additional logging (possibly screenshots given the m…

Windows 11, if one has OneDrive turned on backs _everything_ up in terms of data/files.

I bought a second computer recently which was the same as my Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360 --- after setting up Windows I found that it had downloaded _all_ of my files onto the new computer, but the wallpaper wasn't the same --- went to my old one, figured out where the file was and copied it to the desktop. While I was trying to figure out how I'd copy the file over, the file appeared on the desktop of my new computer.

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