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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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What a surprise! I'm quite sure RCS bubbles will be green though, and that's still going to be enough of a difference when it comes to teen groups and even adult dating. The EU may mandate interoperability, but I don't see them mandating bubble color...

In the EU people use WhatsApp (not SMS) anyways.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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> I personally know multiple people who refuse to text green bubbles, to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android. Those people don't sound like people worth knowing. Ignorant and judgy to say the least.

Life isn't so simple. What if that person is your boss or your client, or someone you love?

Someone you love? If the affection is mutual they're not going to cut off communication with you because your phone doesn't run their favorite chat app.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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What a surprise! I'm quite sure RCS bubbles will be green though, and that's still going to be enough of a difference when it comes to teen groups and even adult dating. The EU may mandate interoperability, but I don't see them mandating bubble color...

I’ve had a couple girlfriends in their 40s mildly judge me negatively for having an Android phone, but someone who would take that seriously enough for it to affect their relationship decisions is someone I’d rather not be involved with. Maybe it would be better to text people with a “beater” Android phone as a test for how shallow they may be, like the semi-cliche of a financially well-off person driving an old truc…

It has nothing to do with finances. You can buy a perfectly good used iPhone for less than $100. It has to do with taste. Not wanting to date a guy with an Android phone is like not wanting to date a guy because he's a Weaboo.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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post #357

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A corollary to that lesson is to not support RCS. I'd have much rather iMessage only open up interoperability with E2EE platforms like signal or even Whatsapp (because Facebook is somehow the lesser evil in this corner of the privacy world).

In theory, E2EE is good until someone you are messaging turns on iCloud backup of messages you sent and now law enforcement can force Apple to give them your iCloud backup - with iMessage

Also solvable: encrypt messages (and everything else) in iCloud backups (by default and not as a hidden special mode with scary warnings).

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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The next significant step would be opening up iMessage and I'm pretty sure that Apple already has implemented most of it. Otherwise, they cannot realistically follow the DMA timeline in the worst case where EU designate iMessage as a gatekeeper.

That's never going to happen for two main reasons. The first one is that, despite the EU’s blatant attempt to carve the rules around the likes of Apple while simultaneously trying to shield EU companies, they've overestimated the amount of iMessage users, excluding iMessage from the DMA rules. The other one, which is more important in this discussion, is that the EU kept the definitions of services rather broad to th…

Apple wouldn't need to be blatantly targeted if they hadn't been engaging in significant anti consumer practices for years.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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post #370

Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…

I wish RCS could somehow be merged with IETF MLS specs but I know that is apples and oranges and not so possible. The RCS proprietary encryption bit is very sad. Oh well.

Google's RCS encryption scheme isn't really proprietary, it's the Signal e2ee scheme. Granted, it's bolted into RCS and not part of the standard, but it's not 100% closed either. It's like a standard added to another standard in a nonstandard way.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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post #384

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While its true that SMS used to cost per message (and outrageously at that) unlimited SMS/MMS (AKA, unlimited text) plans were cheaper (and on some carriers, predate) than unlimited data, often being only $10 a month or so as an add-on. Unlimited talk & text plans were relatively common as well. In the EU for instance, the reverse was true. Particularly, unlimited data was cheap and affordable, where as SMS was quite…

Sure it was $10/line. iMessage was free once you had a smartphone plan. And no, smartphone plans didn’t automatically come with unlimited SMS. I had to “upgrade” for that.

>iMessage was free once you had a smartphone plan.

Unless you went over your data limit.

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