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Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
"..for any purpose", how is this ever supposed to fly in the EU or UK? Should be opt-in, not in the small print, and entirely optional.
You're both misquoting and misunderstanding. Misquoting in that you clipped out the "to the extent and in the manner permitted under applicable Law". And misunderstanding since the text was talking "service generated data", not about "customer data". That's basically data generated by their system (e.g. debug logs). It's not the data you entered into the system (contact information), the calls you made, the chats you…
Furthermore, as far as I know, the "to the extent and in the manner permitted under applicable Law" part is just a reminder. Laws always have priority over contracts, and any part of a contract that goes against the law can simply be ignored.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#413While I dislike the tos change and don't use zoom u understand why there doing it. How else can they train a closed caption system like everyone else has? They need data for it. Transcripts are becoming a killer feature for me for meetings. I can understand why my dad couldn't type now, he had a secretary to transcribe everything. It's super efficient. I just pull jr devs or product into a meeting now turn on transcr…
> How else can they train a closed caption system like everyone else has? They need data for it. This is where zero knowledge federated learning comes in. Unfortunately, this is very much a tomorrow technology (it needs the infrastructure to support it). Why invest in privacy-preserving methods for training machine learning models tomorrow when you can steal users private information today (or even better, bully them…
What is federated learning? And by zero proof is that the same as ZKP?
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#414Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even china isnt silly enough to record people’s conversations to “train” ais. Corporate dictatorships have truly overtaken communist dictatorships.
....what? Which century are you living in that China does record people's conversations?
Not for ai training though.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#415Earlier quoted context omitted.
Odds of any company spending the millions of dollars required to do that poorly, let alone going the extra distance to do it right: about zero.
What is so hard about it? It's a web app and some video manipulation. It would be nice if computers were usable enough that this would take a weekend.
Basic video calls? Absolutely, I've done it in a weekend with webRTC. All the other features that enterprise customers require? That's years of work.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#416Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You agree to grant and hereby grant I get that legalese is like human-interpretable pseudocode, but like, is there really no better way to word this? How can you grant without agreeing to grant? > import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, copy, distribute, translate, transcribe, create derivative works Wow this cover of Daft Punk - Technologic…
>> You agree to grant and hereby grant "Hereby grant" means the grant is (supposedly) immediately effective even for future-arising rights — and thus would take precedence (again, supposedly) over an agreement to grant the same rights in the future . [0] (In the late oughts, this principle resulted in the biotech company Roche Molecular becoming a part-owner of a Stanford patent, because a Stanford researcher signed…
Yes, but the parent commenter noticed that and wondered about the other part, the "agree to grant" part. Simply "hereby grant" should suffice.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
> solely for the limited purpose of operating and enabling the Service to work as intended for You and for no other purposes. To me (a former corporate lawyer) the "for You" qualifier would limit their ability to use content to train an AI for use by anyone other than "You". Is there an argument? Yes. But by that argument, they would also be allowed to "publicly perform" my videoconf calls for some flimsy reasons tha…
I write these policies for my day job and I agree with this.
> I write these policies for my day job
My regrets :-p
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#418Earlier quoted context omitted.
....what? Which century are you living in that China does record people's conversations?
Not for ai training though.
Yeah oh absolutely the party will only use data for a single purpose, they'll never go "hey all these AI chips we're exporting maybe we can-".
oh wait.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#419Tangentially related, but a number of telehealth operations with hospitals/therapists/etc... use Zoom -- I suspect because their clients can connect without an app or an account over a browser. When you join a Zoom session over the browser, you don't sign a TOS. And I assume that actual licensed medical establishments are under their own TOS provisions that are compatible with HIPPA requirements. Training on voice-to…
I know that many smaller therapists use Zoom for exactly the reasons you mentioned above - ease of use. They often don't have the technical know-how to assess the technology they're using.
The UK, for example, has hundreds of private mental health practitioners (therapists, psychologists, etc.) that provice their services directly to clients. They almost universally use off-the-shelf technology for video calling, messaging, and reporting.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#420Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> You agree to grant and hereby grant "Hereby grant" means the grant is (supposedly) immediately effective even for future-arising rights — and thus would take precedence (again, supposedly) over an agreement to grant the same rights in the future . [0] (In the late oughts, this principle resulted in the biotech company Roche Molecular becoming a part-owner of a Stanford patent, because a Stanford researcher signed…
Yes, but the parent commenter noticed that and wondered about the other part, the "agree to grant" part. Simply "hereby grant" should suffice.
> Simply "hereby grant" should suffice.
Not necessarily — in some circumstances, the law might not recognize a present-day grant of an interest that doesn't exist now but might come into being in the future. (Cf. the Rule Against Perpetuities. [1])
The "hereby grants and agrees to grant" language is a fallback requirement — belt and suspenders, if you will.