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Post by em-bee »

lelanthran wrote: post #390
em-bee wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it is the right of every company to have the freedom of association[1] to determine what sort individuals they want to associate with not when it comes to employees and also not when it comes to customers. employees have a right to share their opinions. and discrimination on political opinion is illegal in many countries. i am not sure if that is the case in the US, but it is in the EU and the UK at least. doesn't me…

> not when it comes to employees and also not when it comes to customers. employees have a right to share their opinions. and discrimination on political opinion is illegal in many countries. i am not sure if that is the case in the US, but it is in the EU and the UK at least. I said that in the post you replied to. > the employer didn't provide the platform. they said it on their own personal twitter account not on…

They said it while being a paid representative of the company, at an event that they were paid to represent the company.

it is still their personal twitter account. they are not representing their company on twitter. the time and the location of the person should not matter.

This was made about a specific person.

that is debatable. i interpreted it as a general statement about the military that the recipient of the message is a part of. i can see that it can be read as a personal accusation, but i believe that this was not the intent of the sender.

are you clarifying my position by disagreement

it appears that i am. it did help me better understand your position, so i hope that's ok.

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Post by Yizahi »

eusto wrote: post #356
Yizahi wrote: post #299

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It is quite dystopian in general. We are in an early stages of a corporate dystopia all across the world. Very polite and grownup dystopia. For instance it only took 8 years for my employee to stop working with an aggressor country, responsible for killing tens of thousands in those 8 years. And they were both fulfilling contracts for customers from that country and employing contractors there. Neither me nor practic…

"early stages of corporate dystopia". If anything, we're on the other side of it where companies are being held to some ridiculous standard that we don't even hold elected officials to. Remember Netflix having to fire Kevin Spacey for being accused of something that the president of the United States actually admitted to? How does this fit into the dystopian medium you think you live in? I'm obviously not condoning a…

Again - I'm not supporting this person in the OP, not supporting her insults and don't support doing this to customers in general. I'm also rather grateful to the US army and citizens enabling it, because they are #1 factor today why me and my family and friends are alive.

Regarding corporate dystopia, I politely disagree with you. Some isolated cases where corporations are a tiny little bit affected are a drop in ocean of the reverse situations. Also notice that in your example a person (Spacey) is unilaterally abused by the corporation, outside of any due process. This is actually an example for my idea, I think :) . And in general the trend is obvious - corporations are rapidly increasing in size, they destroy free market (or rather it works as expected) by demolishing any competition, bribe and subvert weak governments to push their agenda and lock all customers to their products/services. They blatantly exfiltrate money to the tax free offshores and avoid abiding by any laws (which matter). They deliberately stall any regulation by government of any new areas they are controlling (ads, ISP, media, communication and so on). They are like a rapidly growing tumor, for now mostly benign, but metastases has already started. And anti-monopoly government bodies of all countries are spectacularly impotent over past decades, sitting on their hand and doing nothing that matters.

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Post by HDThoreaun »

icu wrote: post #315

This situation is complicated and I've noticed most of the top posters saying they would fire the employee immediately. However, the behaviour expectations weren't communicated properly post acquisition and it's really the company's management who are responsible for protecting the company from these situations. Imho the situation is something like, it's the employee's fault, but not their responsibility. Management…

> Imho the VP should have taken the L, communicated a clear policy and then dealt with the angry customer personally.

This is exactly what happened. But when communicating the policy the poster flat out refused to follow it and brought their bud to the meeting to insultingly live tweet it. Insulting the VP and refusing to follow the policy after that meeting is what got them fired.

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Post by Apocryphon »

revelio wrote: post #374
Osmose wrote: post #285

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"Stabbing you in the back" is pretty strong language for posting social media about a personal experienced at a job she no longer has at a company that will barely see any consequences from this post using a right that literally the government has granted all workers now. Like what world do you live in that people don't complain about their old jobs such that you think it's that unacceptable?

People can complain about old jobs, sure. But not if they explicitly make a promise not to do so, especially not if they get paid in return for that promise. Whether governments will let her get away with it or not, it's a backstab to extract cash from someone in return for a promise to be nice, and then to break it.

That explicit “promise” is a simple contact, the likes of which companies break all of the time when fiscally advantageous and legally permissible, whether against employees, former employees, or against each other. Also, VMWare isn’t even painted as the villain in this account. You are getting outraged on behalf of an entity that cares not.

Funnily enough, it would seem that VMWare historically has bigger things to worry about when it comes to the military, protests, and broken contracts:

> The Defence Information Security Agency (DISA) reversed a decision to award VMware Inc. with a $1.6 billion contract, following a protest by number of tech companies last February.

> The Pentagon’s decision to cancel its joint enterprise licensing agreement with VMware means the Government Accountability Office (GAO) was able to dismiss protests against the award made by Amazon Web Services (AWS), Citrix Systems Inc., Nutanix and Minburn Technology Group, LLC, as per the statement at this link.

https://siliconangle.com/2015/03/17/u-s-military-drops-1-6b-...

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Post by judge2020 »

sirl1on wrote: post #338
xena wrote: post #300

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Hi, I use pony/anime/furry avatars at work and my blog is loved on this website for its technical content and innovative use of the Socratic method. People like me exist.

Care to share your blog?

https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=xeiaso.net / previously https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=christine.website

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Post by rimunroe »

1000bestlives wrote: post #394
grimgoldgo wrote: post #108

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What's your source for the mocking tone? Is lizthegrey known for tweeting about hr proceedings in a moving tone? Also, what is tweeting if not "speaking publicly"? And what are workplace conditions if not "how I am disciplined at work"?

In short, yes. If you're unfortunate enough to be involved in a conversation with that individual, prepare to be insulted

I'm in slightly overlapping social circles with Liz and have never felt remotely insulted the times we've chatted. I don't follow her on Twitter anymore and haven't been around her since the pandemic started, but I'd be shocked if she insulted people indiscriminately.

For all I know she might insult people when she sees them say things she thinks are shitty, but I haven't experienced that and I think we've disagreed on things in the past.

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Post by valval »

BasedAnon wrote: post #392
King-Aaron wrote: post #105

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If you have signed an employment contract, then it's perfectly normal to be required to restrict your personal opinions when you are representing your employer. This isn't some dystopian concept. This is how grownups behave. You are welcome to be an edgelord on your own time anonymously.

If being a grown up means being an inhuman robot then I'd rather not be a grown up.

Don’t worry, it doesn’t. Being a grown up is amazing.

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Post by morelisp »

janejeon wrote: post #373
morelisp wrote: post #364

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There is also nobody claiming to be a pony. If you're a trans woman you shouldn't be baited so easily. I assure you they would keep "hate criming" you no matter how many cartoons you like.

> nobody claiming to be a pony The person above literally said "The pony IS her authentic self", word for word.

I said someone claiming to be a pony, not someone assigned pony by rando.
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