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That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job
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#382This situation is complicated and I've noticed most of the top posters saying they would fire the employee immediately. However, the behaviour expectations weren't communicated properly post acquisition and it's really the company's management who are responsible for protecting the company from these situations. Imho the situation is something like, it's the employee's fault, but not their responsibility. Management…
Is this a defense of tweeting "fuck you" at a customer based in the company not having said "don't tweet 'fuck you' at customers"? Is there some ambiguity at play here, like in some cases employees are encouraged to tweet fuck you at customers? I'm puzzled
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#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not a free speech absolutist[0], but if there's one speech one ought to be free to do, it's to write mean things about a government body (or deals with one) in a country that has a constitutional right to free speech. [0] neither is the US, despite what it says; I am however a free-speech maximalist , and the differences between these positions includes but is not limited to acknowledging that some speech chills…
> I'm not a free speech absolutist[0], but if there's one speech one ought to be free to do, it's to write mean things about a government body (or deals with one) in a country that has a constitutional right to free speech. Right, understood. But it is the right of every company to have the freedom of association[1] to determine what sort individuals they want to associate with, no? Just because someone has the freed…
it is the right of every company to have the freedom of association[1] to determine what sort individuals they want to associate with
not when it comes to employees and also not when it comes to customers. employees have a right to share their opinions. and discrimination on political opinion is illegal in many countries. i am not sure if that is the case in the US, but it is in the EU and the UK at least.
doesn't mean that their employer has to provide a platform to say it
the employer didn't provide the platform. they said it on their own personal twitter account not on the company blog.
It also doesn't mean that the employer has to allow its employees to disparage paying customers
depends on whether the statement is factual or not. in germany there was a court case that clarified that it is legal and not an insult to claim that "soldiers are murderers" as long as it is not making that claim about a specific person. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers_are_murderers
according to the german court: "sharing opinions to public controversies is a sign of a free democratic order"
companies can not restrict the rights of their employees to share your opinion because that would essentially prevent any public discourse about controversial topics.
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#385These comments are suspiciously light on anti-cancel culture rants. Wonder why.
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right now the US military tech, created with k8s among other components, is used by Ukrainian army to fight Putin invasion. Where this fact sits on your (im)morality scale?
You mean used by these guys? [0][1] Where do they sit on your morality scale? [2][3][4] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols... [1] http://cup.columbia.edu/book/from-the-fires-of-war/978383821... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ukraine-hasbetter-he... [3] https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-row-over-holocaust-history-... [4] https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-tells-israel-to-st…
Every country in the world has their share of far right bozos. Those of Azov are quite mild, by the way. And they are putting their lives where their mouths are, suprisingly, going out and fight Russians. Unlikely their European or US ideology brothers, who mostly fight the police during and after football games. Or, even worse, harmless LGBT folks on pride parades.
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#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mean used by these guys? [0][1] Where do they sit on your morality scale? [2][3][4] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols... [1] http://cup.columbia.edu/book/from-the-fires-of-war/978383821... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ukraine-hasbetter-he... [3] https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-row-over-holocaust-history-... [4] https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-tells-israel-to-st…
Every country in the world has their share of far right bozos. Those of Azov are quite mild, by the way. And they are putting their lives where their mouths are, suprisingly, going out and fight Russians. Unlikely their European or US ideology brothers, who mostly fight the police during and after football games. Or, even worse, harmless LGBT folks on pride parades.
"Every country in the world has their share of far right bozos"
I'd suggest you follow the links I gave you.
"In this first English-language book on the Azov movement, Michael Colborne explains how Azov came to be and continues to exploit Ukraine’s fractured social and political situation—including the only ongoing war on European soil – to build one of the most ambitious and dangerous far-right movements in the world. Michael Colborne ... has been part of the Bellingcat Monitoring Project team at the investigative journalism website Bellingcat, primarily researching Ukraine’s far right."
And by the way, what other country made a neo-Nazi brigade a part of its army?
"And they are putting their lives where their mouths are"
Not sure what's your point. Nazis were doing that too.
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#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mean used by these guys? [0][1] Where do they sit on your morality scale? [2][3][4] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols... [1] http://cup.columbia.edu/book/from-the-fires-of-war/978383821... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ukraine-hasbetter-he... [3] https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-row-over-holocaust-history-... [4] https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-tells-israel-to-st…
> You mean used by these guys? [0][1] Where do they sit on your morality scale? [2][3][4] Where do you the Russian soldiers raping and torturing children in Ukraine sit on your scale?. [1] Where does the Russian government giving 1 Billion dollars to a PMC run by a Nazi with SS symbols tattooed on himself sit on your scale?. [2][3] [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tort... [2] https://www.po…
"Where do you the Russian soldiers raping and torturing children in Ukraine sit on your scale?. "
About in the same place as Iraqi soldiers taking babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, removing the incubators and leaving the babies to die. [0]
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#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think what your employer does is unacceptable you shouldn’t work for them (even if this happens via an acquisition). But most people are extremely hypocritical, and will gladly ignore their “ideals” in the name of the holy fat paycheque.
Or you know, most people still need the food and rent. Do you go all out on your ideals? Does your employee not do anything that violates them?
The poster made a huge point of how they were not willing to avoid posting things on social media and hunger wasn't a condition for that.
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#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm not a free speech absolutist[0], but if there's one speech one ought to be free to do, it's to write mean things about a government body (or deals with one) in a country that has a constitutional right to free speech. Right, understood. But it is the right of every company to have the freedom of association[1] to determine what sort individuals they want to associate with, no? Just because someone has the freed…
it is the right of every company to have the freedom of association[1] to determine what sort individuals they want to associate with not when it comes to employees and also not when it comes to customers. employees have a right to share their opinions. and discrimination on political opinion is illegal in many countries. i am not sure if that is the case in the US, but it is in the EU and the UK at least. doesn't me…
> not when it comes to employees and also not when it comes to customers. employees have a right to share their opinions. and discrimination on political opinion is illegal in many countries. i am not sure if that is the case in the US, but it is in the EU and the UK at least.
I said that in the post you replied to.
> the employer didn't provide the platform. they said it on their own personal twitter account not on the company blog.
They said it while being a paid representative of the company, at an event that they were paid to represent the company.
> depends on whether the statement is factual or not. in germany there was a court case that clarified that it is legal and not an insult to claim that "soldiers are murderers" as long as it is not making that claim about a specific person.
This was made about a specific person.
> companies can not restrict the rights of their employees to share your opinion because that would essentially prevent any public discourse about controversial topics.
Of course they can, they just can't do it while representing the company.
I'm a little confused about why you replied; are you clarifying my position by disagreement?