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Post by barnabee »

cj wrote: post #358
barnabee wrote: post #333

I really dislike this article and fundamentally disagree. Sure, some engineers need to be looking at the problems people have or the products they're trying to buy or whatever, but that's not why I'm here. The goal, especially when starting out, is to: 1. Obsessively understand, improve and optimise everything, knowing that many of the results will not make it into real products or if they do will flop; and 2. Invent…

This is where YC's motto "Build something people want" is helpful. You can live by the advice you're giving, but if it doesn't end with you having built something people actually want, you won't have a viable business (if that is indeed your goal)

I agree. For me the journey has definitely been that learning about and working on things that interest me and I care about eventually presented the opportunity to have a shot at a viable business, rather than some innate desire to create a business that works no matter what (which, rightly or wrongly, I look down on a bit!)

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Post by anticensor »

thiht wrote: post #93
akskos wrote: post #6

I'd love a faster dishwasher. So annoying when there's something in there i need and it'll still wash for another 40 minutes

Pro tip: you can open the dishwasher at any time during the cycle. It's not a washing machine. There's not a lot of water in it, it'll just fall at the bottom of the dishwasher, and you can take whatever you need (or add things you forgot)

Some dishwashers actually lock the door.

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Post by yunwal »

klipt wrote: post #203
kwhitefoot wrote: post #139

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You are over-thinking this. My wife's remark was almost invariably directed at goods and machines that were either aimed specifically at women or roles where women are overrepresented or at things the design of which clearly had not involved thinking that women would use them. One classic example of the latter is car seatbelts and other safety features of cars. Examples of the former abound in the kitchen which in mo…

It's still casual sexism though, because being bad at market research and design isn't an integral feature of being a man. It's like if you said Theranos failed "because it was led by a woman". Which is not to say your wife is an awful person or anything, casual sexism is common and often goes unrecognized. But it's good to call it out when you do see it.

Being bad at anticipating the needs of a woman is an integral feature of being a man. At least, when compared to women. And while this is changing, women still do most of the dish cleaning (at least in the U.S.)

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Post by coldtea »

RangerScience wrote: post #156

> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

So, the author is more representative of the average consumer, rather than some frequent-dinner-party-hosting partying person?

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Post by coldtea »

flippinburgers wrote: post #314
capableweb wrote: post #293

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People are different, and that's OK :) Some people have 1-2 really close friends, others have 20 friends that they are not that close with but still close enough to meet every week for dinner, but if you want someone to help you hide a body when you accidentally killed someone, you're probably better off with 1-2 really close friends. And also, you can invite anyone over for dinner, that's sometimes how you make acqu…

Well until this as-of-yet unknown person turns you into a body. I don't have friends.

That's a quick way to turn into a body...

"Recent studies found that: Social isolation significantly increased a person's risk of premature death from all causes, a risk that may rival those of smoking, obesity, and physical inactivity. Social isolation was associated with about a 50% increased risk of dementia."

https://www.cdc.gov/aging/publications/features/lonely-older....

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Post by philwelch »

masklinn wrote: post #346
jrumbut wrote: post #332

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Imagine if it leaks? Or anything else goes wrong? I've never heard of a dishwasher so loud it couldn't be run any time.

> Imagine if it leaks? Or anything else goes wrong? I’ve never remained next to a dishwasher for the entire time in order to baby it in case of trouble, have you? Plus a modern dishwasher uses less than 4 gal water for the entire cycle, there’s likely less than 2 gal in it at any one time. > I've never heard of a dishwasher so loud it couldn't be run any time. Then either you’ve never lived in an apartment building o…

Older dishwashers can be pretty loud, but mine is quieter than my HVAC system.

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Post by philwelch »

thiht wrote: post #95
gvb wrote: post #80

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Our new(er) Bosch dishwasher beeps three times at the end of the cycle. I like it because it alerts me to open the door a couple of inches to promote drying. All the dishwashers[1] I had previous to this had a real drying cycle that actively vented the humidity and was effective. My Bosch doesn't vent the compartment so the dishes take forever to dry if you don't open the door. [1] Said dishwashers all manufactured o…

I wonder if dishwashers could have a setting to automatically open the door. It would be so much more useful than beeping. Edit: apparently some brands already have dishwashers with automatic doors, so cool!

That’s what my Bosch does. It also doesn’t beep.

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Post by halfnormalform »

alliao wrote: post #287
ihateolives wrote: post #236

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> in general the time it takes the dishwasher to run is not critical I have children. They use plates, bowls, cups, cutlery, more bowls, more plates, more cups. I have only limited room for additional dishes. Dishes better be done before dinner or else somebody is going to have bad time. And generally if someone in the family is having bad time then everybody is going to have bad time.

duralex picardie tumblers are indestructible and cheap, I have a drawer full of them and yet kids can use a dozen plus a day... moving away from bowls to plates really help with cramming too but I'm Asian and have to say it ain't easy to let bowls go

They're indestructible--until they explode into hundreds of glass pieces when you stack a very hot one from the dishwasher on a room-temp one on the shelf.

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Post by cudgy »

Customers don’t always know what they want until they experience it. The overall point of this article might be true most of the time, but in order for there to be advancement of products beyond the obvious pain points, teams must sometimes move forward with novel features that customers are not asking for yet.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by cudgy »

kmlx wrote: post #264
wheels wrote: post #175

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Yeah, I often also do parties, where I cook for 20-ish people, and often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. Speed does matter some. Where it matters a lot more is that I live in an condo where officially I'm not supposed to run my dishwasher after 10:00 p.m. The difference between 1 or 3 hours is significant there for running it after dinner. (I basically only run it after 10:00 p.m. after parties; got a very q…

> often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. tip: get more dishwashers. it will make your life easier.

Or wash the big items by hand and load the many small ones in the dishwasher.
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