After nearly destroying a General Electric we got a Kitchen Aid dishwasher. Quiet, works well, and quick. I've never given my dishwasher much thought. If it cleans then it works. Right?
Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs
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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've watched that actually. I since started using the pre-wash dispenser, and done routine cleanings (and if your appliance requires routine cleanings, making you disassemble the thing to access the filter is inexcusable). It's improved things a little, but not enough. Considering that all 3 Maytag appliances I bought at the same time are defective in various ways, I'm treating it as another instance of a major brand…
For the record, we are still extremely pleased with our Miele washing machine and dish washer that we bought about five years ago. A bit pricey, though. Never heard of Maytag. If I saw it in a store, I would probably guess it's a brand from China. But given your description, it sounds like you are in the US or so? At least that's whence I usually hear the complaints about brands selling out.
Canada. Maytag is one of those ancient 19th century American brands, like Westinghouse or Ford, except now they're apparently just a sticker for low-quality garbage since they got swallowed up into the whirlpool appliance business family.
Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs
#93I'd love a faster dishwasher. So annoying when there's something in there i need and it'll still wash for another 40 minutes
Pro tip: you can open the dishwasher at any time during the cycle. It's not a washing machine. There's not a lot of water in it, it'll just fall at the bottom of the dishwasher, and you can take whatever you need (or add things you forgot)
Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs
#94Dishwasher cycles have been getting longer and longer and it’s a pain in the neck. Give me back my hour long cycle and actually clean dishes, please.
You can blame detergent regulations for this. About a decade or so back phosphates were banned from detergents. The problem is that was the thing that made them work really well. In order to compensate for less effective detergents, cycle times have gotten longer. Phosphate detergents are still available in commercial soaps, but I don't recommend skirting the regs here as they had some solid reasoning (algae blooms).…
Dishwashers contain a heating element no? Not sure if booster powder is a specific product but yeah detergent on the little lip of the main detergent door is a significant help.
For those interested, here is a wonderful 30min deep dive by none other than Technology Connections about dishwashers and detergent usage: https://youtu.be/_rBO8neWw04
Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs
#95My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…
Our new(er) Bosch dishwasher beeps three times at the end of the cycle. I like it because it alerts me to open the door a couple of inches to promote drying. All the dishwashers[1] I had previous to this had a real drying cycle that actively vented the humidity and was effective. My Bosch doesn't vent the compartment so the dishes take forever to dry if you don't open the door. [1] Said dishwashers all manufactured o…
I wonder if dishwashers could have a setting to automatically open the door. It would be so much more useful than beeping.
Edit: apparently some brands already have dishwashers with automatic doors, so cool!
Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs
#96Most people probably don't need a faster dishwasher - but it's a handy feature to have to sell dishwashers.
"Cleans just as well, using the same water & power, in half the time?" - well that sounds like you've just created a premium dishwasher you can sell to people who want to own a premium dishwasher.
I think it's much the same with all the wifi-enabled, app controlled appliances. Their purpose isn't to be sold as useful features - they exist to add a half-dozen bullet points next to that item, that the other nigh-identical products you're comparing it against (or god-forbid, already own) don't have. $5 of extra parts that can be sold to you for $100
Decades back all appliances where white powder-coated. Then we decided they should all be built in and hidden. Then we decided they all needed to be brushed -aluminium feature appliances... except we didn't all decide this. The manufacturers are just always looking for differentiators.
Of course you can opt out of this obvious cash grab, and kit out your kitchen with Miele 'quality' and the like (Did you know Miele is one of the few remaining brands that doesn't outsource manufacture to a Turkish third party? I did, I'm special) Or reject all this modern stuff and buy a Speed-Queen (When pick-up truck owners get to decide what laundry brand to buy and maintain with the same set of spanners)
Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends where you live, houses here usually have separate hot and cold water feeds and the dishwashers take only a cold input, relying on an internal heating element if they need hot water.
Not according to Maytag: https://www.maytag.com/blog/kitchen/do-dishwashers-use-hot-w...
The world is bigger than the US, which was my point: https://www.diy.com/ideas-advice/how-to-plumb-in-a-washing-m...
Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs
#98Dishwasher cycles have been getting longer and longer and it’s a pain in the neck. Give me back my hour long cycle and actually clean dishes, please.
Not sure what you're putting in your dishwasher, but FWIW I have a 30 minutes / 60°C cycle on my dishwasher (off-brand) that I use when I forgot to run it at night. Dishes come out clean as new. The eco cycle I use at night is 50°C and longer (not sure how long, that's why I run it at night) and everything always come out clean as well.
Whenever anyone complains about how appliances are getting worse and worse in the name of eco friendliness there’s always someone that pops out of the woodwork to say that actually they are great.
If this was true we wouldn’t need bans in the first place. CRTs weren’t banned and where are they now.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Any crap left on the plate will get spread on everything else, so you have to pre-wash everything first. You should really do it at home too, [...] Why? If I have to wash my own dishes, that would defeat the point of a dishwasher..
You'll have to clean that stuff out of your dish washer otherwise.
Not really. It’s ground up and goes down the drain with the waste water.
The Technology Connections YouTube channel has some nice, in-depth looks at dishwashers and soap.
Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure what you're putting in your dishwasher, but FWIW I have a 30 minutes / 60°C cycle on my dishwasher (off-brand) that I use when I forgot to run it at night. Dishes come out clean as new. The eco cycle I use at night is 50°C and longer (not sure how long, that's why I run it at night) and everything always come out clean as well.
Whenever anyone complains about how appliances are getting worse and worse in the name of eco friendliness there’s always someone that pops out of the woodwork to say that actually they are great. If this was true we wouldn’t need bans in the first place. CRTs weren’t banned and where are they now.
Do you want me to say my dishes are dirty since they banned phosphate? It's not the case.
Honestly the fact phosphates are banned even in the US shows the impact they have, given the crap this country doesn't ban, including in food products.
Maybe if CRTs had had a major impact on local water quality they would have been banned too (and I sure hope so)