Amazon is closing its cashierless stores in NYC, San Francisco and Seattle • Hacker News Board

Re: Amazon is closing its cashierless stores in NYC, San Francisco and Seattle

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Post by CydeWeys » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 11:57 PM UTC

justeleblanc wrote: post #404

CydeWeys wrote: post #66

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It's a criminal charge, so yes, according to the Sixth Amendment it could go to a jury trial in any jurisdiction.

I guess you mean in any jurisdiction in the US . Where I live, jury trials are for the highest level of crimes (the translation would be felony I guess).

I'm not sure this clarification is necessary as we're in a discussion about NYC, on a US-based website, and the Sixth Amendment to the US Constitution obviously applies within the US but not to other countries.

Re: Amazon is closing its cashierless stores in NYC, San Francisco and Seattle

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Post by chrischen » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 2:46 AM UTC

harvey9 wrote: post #104

chrischen wrote: post #24

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That's not really a self-checkout problem though is it. I mean, SF has stores that don't have self-checkout but the thieves that come in and wheel out a tobacco shelving unit are not taking advantage of "self-checkout"... they are taking advantage of the fact that 1) there is no proper security and 2) the police don't respond. My point is that anywhere that unmanned stores with cameras can work, so would self-checkou…

I think there's an important difference between unmanned and self checkout which you missed from the post you replied to: the person who scans a few items but steals others at a self checkout. In a no checkout store you already identified yourself in order to get inside and the store knows what you picked up and took out.

Their high precision scale works remarkably well for this though. It forces you to put all your stuff on the scale and so it becomes obvious to the one store clerk if you leave stuff in your cart that means you haven't scanned/paid for them.

Re: Amazon is closing its cashierless stores in NYC, San Francisco and Seattle

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Post by CatWChainsaw » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 4:54 PM UTC

_8j50 wrote: post #36

Amazon is such an anti-human company. From their warehouses to their tech workers they are terrible against people. That said, if people like these stores then good for them. I am honestly shocked and confused when people enjoy this. Or targeted ads or *GPT generated content. I am not anti-tech by any means. Maybe I am just not impressed and awed enough by these technologies to overlook the downsides? I don't support…

>I am honestly shocked and confused when people enjoy this. Or targeted ads or *GPT generated content. I am not anti-tech by any means. Maybe I am just not impressed and awed enough by these technologies to overlook the downsides?

Some people believe these are amazing things. They tell other people that these are amazing things, so more people believe it, or at least accept it as default. Whereas I look at these things and think I live in bizarro-world with how much other people seem to enjoy them.

Re: Amazon is closing its cashierless stores in NYC, San Francisco and Seattle

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Post by harvey9 » Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 9:10 PM UTC

chrischen wrote: post #412

harvey9 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's an important difference between unmanned and self checkout which you missed from the post you replied to: the person who scans a few items but steals others at a self checkout. In a no checkout store you already identified yourself in order to get inside and the store knows what you picked up and took out.

Their high precision scale works remarkably well for this though. It forces you to put all your stuff on the scale and so it becomes obvious to the one store clerk if you leave stuff in your cart that means you haven't scanned/paid for them.

Still one person trying to watch over about 10 customers. No match for a tireless machine watching the whole store through dozens of cameras.

Re: Amazon is closing its cashierless stores in NYC, San Francisco and Seattle

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Post by kderbyma » Thu, Mar 09, 2023, 10:24 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #206

The cashierless thing is fine, but is never going to be the reason people pick one store over another. The problem with Amazon Go is that they have been trying to target the "upscale convenience store" demographic which doesn't really exist. If getting rid of human labor lowers operating costs then why doesn't that reflect on the price tag on the shelf? Charging 2x what the CVS next door does defeats the purpose. Mor…

same logic applied to the rings of power. Amazon has a problem realising that a niche...is a niche.

Re: Amazon is closing its cashierless stores in NYC, San Francisco and Seattle

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Post by throw10920 » Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 1:22 PM UTC

baumy wrote: post #80

throw10920 wrote: post #46

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> Seems like a very weird way of blaming a well defined system for your unwillingness to meet its prerequisites. > just apparently too lazy or unwilling for some unclear reason. > Just bizarre. This is a very emotionally manipulative and accusatory comment that certainly does not meet HN's guidelines, and doesn't actually address any of the problems that the GP stated.

No, I don't agree. I directly address the problems by arguing that they aren't actually problems. I feel I plainly stated the reality of the situation as it was described, and was not manipulative and accusatory in any way. I do not appreciate your characterization however. I will likely not respond further as this will quickly become non constructive.

> I will likely not respond further as this will quickly become non constructive.

It was non-constructive from the moment you made your comment with highly manipulative phrases like "Seems like a very weird way of blaming a well defined system for your unwillingness to meet its prerequisites", "You are capable of this, just apparently too lazy or unwilling for some unclear reason", "For those of us who managed to", and "Just bizarre." Your comment does not meet the HN guidelines, was not constructive, and was downvoted and flagged accordingly.