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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by kortilla »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #400
0xDEF wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was little demand for non-GPS satnav. There is plenty of demand for non-Musk satcom.

> There was little demand for non-GPS satnav. Gallileo can detect a distress beacon in the middle of the pacific ocean and send gelm. No other system can do that. Civilian gallileo has better accuracy than GPS or any competitors. Every mibile phone has multi-system reciever and accuracy of navigation has tripled in the past 10 years precisely because Gallileo and Glonass and the chinese system went online.

> Gallileo can detect a distress beacon in the middle of the pacific ocean

InReach does that, no?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by vore »

mardifoufs wrote: post #212
0xDEF wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was little demand for non-GPS satnav. There is plenty of demand for non-Musk satcom.

For terminally online people, prehaps. But in real life, no, people aren't generally obsessed by twitter drama. Real life usage is what matters, and if it's good enough for the ukrainian army in an active war zone...

Well, the guy who owns SpaceX seems to care a lot about Twitter drama...

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by kortilla »

panick21_ wrote: post #365
usrusr wrote: post #170

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Exactly: any constellation built with pre-falcon9 rockets might be non-Musk, but it won't even be remotely starlink-like. They'd inevitably aim for orbits higher than "throwaway-LEO" and the much sparser constellations those orbits enable (lines of sight less constrained by horizon) will cause considerably more latency (far from geostationary-bad, but a meaningful quality difference) even if the inherent SNR drawback…

Amazon basically bought every available heavy lift rocket for the next decade in an attempt to compete with Starlink.

All 8 of them?!

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

fooker wrote: post #25
hypertele-Xii wrote: post #22

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My latest smartphone is mostly EU with Taiwanese manufacturing. It's the best phone I've used yet. The only thing Google adds is branding. True enough about search engines though.

>The only thing Google adds is branding. Which phone is this?

Nokia 7.1

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by kortilla »

amm wrote: post #121

Too little, too expensive, too late? Once again the EU is playing catch up with last gen tech. Starlink is almost 10 years old - conceptually even older. Iridium has been around for over 25 years. If the EU was serious, it should have invested proactively in next gen satellite direct to device tech that is around the corner in the US. AST SpaceMobile is close to starting commercial activity for satellite based 5G tha…

This direct to device tech is going to suck based on everything I’ve read so far. The radios in phones are so weak and undirected that getting 128kbps is going to be a challenge, let alone anything near what’s required to watch video.

Look at the gymnastics you have to do to use SOS on iPhone now.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by defrost »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #183
defrost wrote: post #176

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Out of interest, where do you live on the light polltion map [1], Bortle scale [2]? Do you have any sense of what you're missing out on or how bright and distracting tens of thousands of LEO sats glinting in the sun are, or to what degree they mess up long exposure visible astronomy shots, or the noise they make for radio astronomy? I have no issue believing that you find "complaints about visual pollution silly" ..…

> where do you live on the light polltion map Class 2. I can just appreciate the night sky with satellites in it. (They’re fun to watch.) > to what degree they mess up long exposure visible astronomy shots, or the noise they make for radio astronomy One is a luxury pass-time. For the other, there are workarounds.

The Desert Fireball network is visible astronomy used to find rocks on the ground within 24 hours of impact - thus delivering insights into the early formation of the solar system and occasionally insights into extra solar material.

I think of it more as science than as a luxury pass time but you're welcome to your opinion.

Streaking trains of LEO sats are a damn nuisance.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

amm wrote: post #121

Too little, too expensive, too late? Once again the EU is playing catch up with last gen tech. Starlink is almost 10 years old - conceptually even older. Iridium has been around for over 25 years. If the EU was serious, it should have invested proactively in next gen satellite direct to device tech that is around the corner in the US. AST SpaceMobile is close to starting commercial activity for satellite based 5G tha…

> Once again the EU is playing catch up with last gen tech. Starlink is almost 10 years old.. If the EU was serious, it should have invested proactively in next gen

Thats not their job.

Their job is to build infrastructure for Europe, Tonnels, GPS, bridges, etc, like the massive tunnels they are building through the alps.

https://youtu.be/30foJiPUrBA

Now they decided thay just like modern military and government needs a GPS, they need satellite based internet. I am sure war in Ukraine has helped sharpen minds there.

Their remit is not to invest in speculative projects ala hyperloop.

How is 5G mobiles connecting to sattelites relevant to EU?

Thats 100% commercial operation, if it is relevant, it's the job of European mobile operators to fund it, not for tax payers.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by coutego »

wafngar wrote: post #328
TheNotToo wrote: post #287

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I see Sweden the "utopia" that some claim has even higher inflation than UK, I guess that must be because of Brexit too right? And Italy, the land of the great food?

The UK would do much better had they not chosen Brexit. Basically everyone here admits that (bank of England etc) apart from some zealot politicians. And the health system has collapsed. The problems are not solely caused by Brexit but it exacerbates nearly all of them.

Exactly. Brexit long term net effect could be a few points off their GDP. That's not the end of the world, but it's certainly significant and it will make British people a poorer, which of course has an impact on public services. Whether this is worth it's up to British people to assess.

My personal suspiction is that UK citizens were mislead about the consequences of leaving but, hey, democracy is about taking decisions with incomplete information. People have spoken and their decision is sacred. I wish the UK the best luck and it's with sadness that I believe they will need a lot of it.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by tpmx »

panick21_ wrote: post #404
tpmx wrote: post #387

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Sounds like the EU I know and loathe. /EU citizen from the north

I'm from Switzerland and we help finance that stuff. Specially the Vega rocket, a total piece of crap that shouldn't exist.

Well, you're making some money off it via RUAG.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by kortilla »

concordDance wrote: post #44

Does it annoy anyone else that the title says "Musk's Starlink"? Yes, it was his idea and he is the main driving force and owns half of the company, but any project like this is a collaborative effort between tens of thousands of people.

Because a lot of people get triggered by Elon Musk so anything introducing a competitor is incentivized to remind everyone of Musk’s involvement.
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