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Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by bialpio »

emteycz wrote: post #403
bialpio wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(this also assumes that the person is on H-1B and not on L-1, which cannot be transferred)

A person on L-1 should've known they will be moving home soon . This works exactly the same in EU and IMHO it's only logical - you'd be able to skip the usual "queue" otherwise.

L-1 can be extended a couple of times (up to 7 years total I think?), so "soon" is relative (especially given that it gives you a couple tries at the H-1B, but only if you can hold on to the job).

I think my main point still stands: you can't always just pack up your things and leave (or rather, you can, but the consequences aren't always a simple job hunt, sometimes they involve relocating internationally) so you may be willing to tolerate more abuse or conditions that are less than perfect for you.

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Post by ipaddr »

bin_bash wrote: post #266
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #162

Amazon is doing this. I went through the process and the recruiter tried to manipulate me into "assigning a local office" otherwise it has to go through "an approval process". I told him put it through the approval then or I walk. He also tried car-salesman tactics of trying to get me to accept a lower total comp package. I stood firmly at the top of my range and after days of trying to convince me otherwise, they fi…

> I'm not coming in, ever. In my experience working remote for the past decade "remote" usually involves coming to the office or having an offsite once a quarter. I don't think that's unreasonable at all.

That is completely unreasonable.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by ipaddr »

mvdwoord wrote: post #334
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #311

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I've been doing remote longer than a decade and never ever had to come in to the office when designated as such. Might be reasonable for you, but that's up to the individual and at the very least needs to be disclosed in the interview stage if it's mandated. Some people work remote because they have debilitating anxiety, phobias, or mental health issues. Others are single parents that don't have the ability to offloa…

I respectfully disagree. Traveling to the office or for an offsite once a quarter is totally reasonable and when planned some three weeks ahead or so, should pose no issues whatsoever. If you are unable to fit this in your schedule, or are actually that mentally unfit you cannot oblige your fellow humans in your job... Every once in a while? Then you should not have that job. This should be considered reasonable by a…

There will be in person positions for people like yourself. A remote position means no traveling either.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by sgsvnk »

It is also partly your friend's mistake. These things should be in writing for many reasons -

- the recruiter could just possibly lie that she never mentioned remote work

- the recruiter could have left the company and could possibly never answer your messages

- the doc would stand as a point of argument with the company without involving another person into the discussion

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Post by ipaddr »

breakfastduck wrote: post #181
calvinmorrison wrote: post #159

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At my last role, I got all the way to the "signing your hiring paperwork" to find out that vaccines were mandatory for all new hires. Seeing as that's 30% of the workforce or so who isn't, and this being a senior level position, and a year more after they were first available (meaning, anyone who wanted to get a vaccine - probably would have already)... you'd think they'd bring that up day one. I about flipped shit o…

People just assume anyone with a reasonable amount of common sense would be fine with it I imagine.

Maybe a year ago you could make a comment like that when everyone was locked down but the vaccines don't work anymore for the current variant. Common sense needs to be updated

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Post by ipaddr »

achenatx wrote: post #365
tdfx wrote: post #252

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There's millions of people that have already been infected with COVID and receive no calculable benefit from taking a vaccine. While the vaccine has been proven to be safe and effective, there are rare side effects that some people might not want to expose themselves to for no reason. Springing that blanket requirement on people at the end of the hiring process is a shitty move.

each time you are exposed via vaccine or getting infected, it builds immunity. Getting exposed turns out to be similar to having gotten one shot, though Im sure the immune response has a wider antigen coverage. Keep in mind that getting infected has a substantially higher risk of bad outcomes than getting the vaccine. Getting the vaccine substantially reduces the risk of bad outcomes. Getting infected then getting th…

Each time you get a vaccine you suppress a part of your body that would naturally react. You won't over react to covid but you will also not react in a natural way like previously. What does this mean We will find out in 2024 when the first longterm studies are due out.

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Post by [deleted] »

diehunde wrote: post #300
JohnFen wrote: post #217

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> If you work in the tech sector in the U.S. you almost certainly don't. I've been working in the tech sector in the US for a long time, and have had an employment contract at literally every company. I'm genuinely surprised to hear that people are working without one. That seems unwise.

I've worked for 4 companies in the U.S. and they only sent Employment offers/letters/agreements that I had to sign. Didn't see the word contract in any of them.

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Post by ekanes »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #296
voakbasda wrote: post #250

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If there isn’t an IRC, Slack, or other instant messaging system in place, that should be the first step. Without that, I cannot imagine how remote work would actually… work. From there, start being proactive about asking questions or starting conversations. Do not wait for others to reach out. You must initiate. That is a huge part of remote culture. If you are initiating on instant messaging and not generating feedb…

There is a Slack, of course. I've found people quite slow to reply so far. Expecting a new hire to initiate is pretty unrealistic imo. Even in an office, leaders should be encouraging employees to reach out to the new hire and make that connection. In person new hires would be getting a team lunch of some kind at most companies I've ever worked at, some kind of scheduled time to meet and interact with people. I don't…

The problem at your new company isn’t to do with location, it’s that for whatever reason, their culture is terrible. There are zero scenarios where a good-culture company doesn’t very effectively welcome new people into a team.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by jupp0r »

ghaff wrote: post #196
jupp0r wrote: post #69

Sorry for you to be in that situation. Unsolicited advice for next time: interview with several companies and get multiple offers. The additional leverage would have definitely strengthened your position in this and also would have given you more options in case things turned out equally disappointing with employer A.

Many people are not really in the position to just go and get multiple (in this case remote) job offers.

How is getting one offer different from getting multiple? At least for me, prep is the main part and the interviews themselves are a smaller commitment compared to that. This is greatly helped by the pandemic causing on-site interviews mostly being replaced by online video conferencing ones.
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