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Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by breakfastduck »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #159
ShakataGaNai wrote: post #137

Ask the people you're talking to where the teammates are, the expectations of return to office. Ask them in the very first call. Either they'll be offended because they probably have nefarious plans (dodged a huge time waste), or they'll happily explain how their team is spread across 4 timezones and could never return to the office since there isn't one. Sadly "remote" is just a buzzword to a lot of people. But on t…

At my last role, I got all the way to the "signing your hiring paperwork" to find out that vaccines were mandatory for all new hires. Seeing as that's 30% of the workforce or so who isn't, and this being a senior level position, and a year more after they were first available (meaning, anyone who wanted to get a vaccine - probably would have already)... you'd think they'd bring that up day one. I about flipped shit o…

People just assume anyone with a reasonable amount of common sense would be fine with it I imagine.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by iooi »

jacquesm wrote: post #160
sjg007 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your friend probably has a claim against the company for breach of contract. When people leave a job to join a new one and incur expenses and then the new company lays them off or fires them for no fault then the judges usually side with the employee.

Indeed, and then he finds that not only is there breach of contract but that the company is also quite vindictive and will use any kind of claim as a reason to not even consider hiring you in the future, assuming that it stays within the one company and doesn't get passed around between recruiters.

Every background check that companies put you through include any history of litigation against employers, no need for recruiters to talk to each other.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by irvingprime »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #22

I see a few possibilities: 1) Recruiter was misinformed and/or policies changed while you were interviewing. A lot of companies, including some of the big names, have been changing their remote policies in 2022. They're also playing off each other and the hiring market, so the situation is evolving quickly. Given what I've seen lately, it's possible that they were hiring remotely when your process started but they en…

Number 4 is an interesting point. Personally, as a hiring manager who works exclusively remote (though my company does have offices) if I thought someone was borderline or even under the line at handling remote work, I would not make them an offer at all.

Well, I might if we were talking about an internship and there was someone on site I trusted to keep an eye on them. Otherwise, one of the most important things I look for in any direct report is the ability to do their work without the need for a lot of hand-holding. IOW, if I don't trust them to work remote, then I just don't trust them.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by bell-cot »

lbriner wrote: post #21

So what you mean is, "A Recruiter lied about A position"?

This +10 (if I could). "Remote" from a recruiter is no different from "35% annual raises", "perfect match for your skill set", "insta-vesting stock options", or anything else a recruiter tells you.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by vmception »

ShakataGaNai wrote: post #137

Ask the people you're talking to where the teammates are, the expectations of return to office. Ask them in the very first call. Either they'll be offended because they probably have nefarious plans (dodged a huge time waste), or they'll happily explain how their team is spread across 4 timezones and could never return to the office since there isn't one. Sadly "remote" is just a buzzword to a lot of people. But on t…

I have a couple friends obsessed with the “digital nomad” term and are swayed by things and jobs with terms like remote or digital nomad

That crowd is almost incapable of just applying for jobs that have always been remote, if the job description doesn't lead with that in the title. Many software startups and the development consultancies they rely on have been this way for many years.

So instead they get led on by things catering to the remote and digital nomad industry than just having a job that already had supported the lifestyle they wanted!

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by WorldMaker »

ShakataGaNai wrote: post #137

Ask the people you're talking to where the teammates are, the expectations of return to office. Ask them in the very first call. Either they'll be offended because they probably have nefarious plans (dodged a huge time waste), or they'll happily explain how their team is spread across 4 timezones and could never return to the office since there isn't one. Sadly "remote" is just a buzzword to a lot of people. But on t…

So far that has been my experience with a handful of FAANG interviews the last couple of years: I get a recruiter coming to me talking about 100% remote positions. I get to phone interviews, ask the people I'm actually interviewing with what their thoughts on remote work are and am honest that I'd be most interested in 100% remote myself (but I am flexible on it). Most of those stopped at the phone interview because it was generally clear the recruiter telling me that 100% remote options were on the table had me interviewing with 100% "can't wait to get back to the office" teams.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by barbazoo »

Did this never come up in ANY of the interviews? I just went through hours and hours of interviews and I talked about this with the interviewers all the time because it impacts team cohesion, collaboration, company culture so obviously a lot of questions were targeted towards remote work. At least the hiring manager would have been able to clarify any wrong assumptions, no?

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by irvingprime »

FpUser wrote: post #100

While I feel for the people being fooled by recruiters I can not comprehend how come they did not make sure in their first interview that they're indeed hired for remote and it will be stated in their contract. I would never trust recruiter as they're responsible for nothing.

Not everyone is as expert at job hunting as you are.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by kmonsen »

romanhn wrote: post #119
nineplay wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still holding on to a slight hope that the recruiter will find a hiring manager willing to override the committee and all of my time and effort will not have been wasted. They said they'd keep looking but they were probably just trying to get me off the phone. I'll put it this way. One FAANG I wouldn't work at under any circumstances. One FAANG has been very clear that they want employees on site. One FAANG has a…

Everyone's trying to figure out which is which, so here are my takes: Wouldn't work ever - Amazon Wants on-site - applies to Apple, Google, Netflix. My guess is Apple. Team assigned later - Facebook/Meta with its bootcamp process Doesn't fit FAANG - Netflix, it's not uncommon for folks to exclude it due to much smaller size So most likely op interviewed at Google, which seems all the more likely given a months-long i…

Facebook/Meta can for sure assign team before bootcamp. The candidate can still change teams during bootcamp, but there will be a spot ready for them. At least that is how I have seen it.

One thing to notice about FAANG and other large companies is that the team assignment is not as important as you think. Reorgs are often large and frequent so suddenly you work on something completely different. How much choice you have in this process varies based on many factors, the company being one of them.

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