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Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Bummer the only value I get out of the service as an individual user over Gmail is a custom domain. Migration is going to suck only because of stupidly relying on login with Google which won't work after I putge everything google from my life with fire. I'm presuming this includes paid apps that Google will be stealing when I decline to pay them by the month to keep them. Lesson learned don't use anything Google.

I switched to Migadu a few years ago, as I realized that having a personal account with Google Workspace was a bad idea. All Google features kept getting delayed for Workspace users. Google removed the free tier (huge red flag on its future). Fortunately I just had to migrate email and calendar. You're in a bigger mess. Yep. Get out. Stop relying on Google for anything important.

Migadu starts at $20/year. Like everything else, almost all services with free tiers went crippled or paid-only with the pandemic, and last I checked all the SEO listed the same outdated options.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Any idea if they'll make a "gmail.com" account migration utility down the line? This is extremely concerning for Play store purchases, and anything non-email attached to the "google apps for your domain" account, like YouTube.

Afaict your account will still exist, just not be linked to mail (which I get), but also not linked to calendar (which I don't get). See the email: "You may still retain access to additional Google services, such as YouTube and Google Photos."

I will wait for an official answer from a Google rep. There is too much at stake to guesstimate on vague phrasing.

And still, losing google docs document sharing, and calendar, on the e-mail address identifier which will stay my valid and primary one is a hostile move, plain and simple.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Any idea if they'll make a "gmail.com" account migration utility down the line? This is extremely concerning for Play store purchases, and anything non-email attached to the "google apps for your domain" account, like YouTube.

I dug into this with support and the docs. When you cancel workspace, the accounts remain active but lose access to just the workspace features (gmail, drive, docs, calendar etc). The accounts will remain the same for things like google play, youtube etc and you won't lose access to any purchases. The biggest impact I can see, other than the headache of migration, is that former GFYD email address can NEVER be used f…

I will wait for an official answer from a Google rep. There is too much at stake to guesstimate on vague phrasing.

And still, losing google docs document sharing, and calendar, on the e-mail address identifier which will stay my valid and primary one is a hostile move, plain and simple.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I don't think there is a good option here because I don't think you can use the same domain. You would need to switch to a service that can have multiple mailboxes on a domain.

I can handle setting up new email that still uses the domain. The issue is all the data/purchases/etc with the Google Apps account that can't be transferred to a regular Gmail account.

Ah yes. That is also the problem I have and I don't think there is any option here. There was an internal experiment but I guess that didn't go anywhere before they decided to just close all of the accounts.

The wording sounds like non-"Workspace" services will still be available so i guess you can theoretically still access purchases. Not great, because now I have half of my stuff in different accounts but not too bad.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Its not just googlers, the legacy accounts where available to everyone at the start. but the venn diagram overlap of people * willing to pay for such a tool, * not having switched to another provider since * and not willing to start paying for it now will be tiny

It was free for 10 accounts. The number one massively applicable use case vs plain google accounts was vanity domain names and signing up was no harder than creating a regular gmail account. There are probably more vanity domain users than small businesses with 10 people. In fact I would venture to guess with the 10 address limit they are nearly 100% of the remaining users on the legacy program. The cost of the domai…

It was free for unlimited accounts (I still have a G Suite Legacy account that was grandfathered into that) at first.

Eventually unlimited free accounts was dropped to 50, in 2009 (my grandfathered account was soft-capped at that, with the option to reach out to support to increase it), but I had several other domains that were hard-capped at 50 since I opened them after that limit was instituted. [1]

Then that limit was dropped from 50 to 10 (hard capped, grand-fathered accounts kept their old limits) in 2011. [2]

Then last but not least there was the 1 user free if you had a Google AppEngine project (that came with the requirement that it was tied to a G-Suite at the time).

My G Suite legacy accounts were all created in 2007-2010 timeframe.

[1]: https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2009/01/50-user-limi...

[2]: https://cloud.googleblog.com/2011/04/helping-small-businesse...

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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> Yet, over the years, these accounts are just worse than free personal Google accounts. Because we are not a business, there is absolutely no benefit to these accounts whatsoever other than the custom domain. In fact, we can't even use the new version of Google Pay. It only works with free accounts! I now feel that this was a favor in disguise: Google spent so many years blocking Domains accounts from new services t…

I am kind of in the same position. I have 4 people using our custom domain for email only given the pain google put on these accounts. They've each setup their custom domain email account to forward to their individual free gmail accounts. Does anyone have a recommendation for a new email service I can point my domain MX records at? I only need email forwarding for these 4 users using my domain and a catchall email f…

I forward emails for custom domains from my registrars (Namecheap and GoDaddy) to Gmail. Then you can use a free Zoho account that lets you send email from your custom domain from within you Gmail account (sent via Zoho's email servers). It's a bit of work to set up but then you can do everything from within Gmail seamlessly.

I think this is the tutorial I followed years ago: https://medium.com/@raymondgh/how-to-set-up-a-free-custom-do...

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I'm sure they are banking on people just ponying up the cash because they've been with them for so long. It's basically mafia protection payments. Pay us or we'll break your legs (delete all your data).

Do you know anybody else who will give me free hosting for the next 12 years before demanding payment? I think I'm okay with moving once every ten or twelve years.

As a personal rule I don't recommend anything "free" for long term use or anything you want to really depend on.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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> But I have no idea what the migration of a decade of email across 5 inboxes will look like; not to mention Calendar and contacts. Contacts and Email seems to be the easy part: you can download the emails via IMAP to a client like Thunderbird, and the re-upload them on a new account. Years ago I did this transferring from one G Suite account to another for a friend, worked very well. Contacts can be exported in CSV…

Are you sure about the re-uploading part? I've had an issue like that last week, and am currently stuck with my mails locally, not able to 'put them back' to the IMAP server. Not Gmail though.

Make sure you are not uploading into the Inbox folder. Any other folder should be fine.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I dug into this with support and the docs. When you cancel workspace, the accounts remain active but lose access to just the workspace features (gmail, drive, docs, calendar etc). The accounts will remain the same for things like google play, youtube etc and you won't lose access to any purchases. The biggest impact I can see, other than the headache of migration, is that former GFYD email address can NEVER be used f…

I will wait for an official answer from a Google rep. There is too much at stake to guesstimate on vague phrasing. And still, losing google docs document sharing, and calendar, on the e-mail address identifier which will stay my valid and primary one is a hostile move, plain and simple.

I agree with you on losing access to sharing to your primary email address.

The situation has been officially confirmed on their support pages [https://support.google.com/a/answer/1257646]:

" Impact to services after you cancel Google Workspace You lose access to core Google Workspace services, such as Gmail, Calendar, Meet, and more. You still have access to Additional Google services, such as YouTube, Google Photos, and Google Ads. "

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Thanks for the tip. I went to admin.google.com and I don't see anything there, either. Maybe it's rolling out?

Sorry I wasn't clear :). I went to admin.google.com -> manage subscriptions and saw that I am on G Suite legacy, so therefore inferred this does impact me.

Ah, I see it now. Thank you very much.
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