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I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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I've got an X230 still I need to offload. 16GB of ram, IPS panel, 9 cell battery. Would anyone be interested? Not sure if this is against the rules. Located in Texas.

Would absolutely love to take that off your hands, sounds just like one I never should have let get away a few years back. I'm in East Coast USA and email address in my profile. Thanks!

Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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"upgrading the display, CPU, disk, RAM, fan, battery it's a bit click-baity to say you've gone back to a 2012 ThinkPad - but interesting read non the less." That's the good part - it's possible, and it's serviceable. My spouse uses a 10y (almost 11y) laptop, it has pretty much everything changed & upgraded. CPU, RAM, keyboard, CD->SSD, HDD->SSD, battery, fan, wifi 801.1 b/g -> ac+bluetooth. The discrete GPU is not re…

Might just be the current supply chain woes but I have a relatively recent X1 Yoga (Gen 1) and the fan went out. Had to buy a Chinese one on ebay to replace it since Lenovo did not have the part anymore. I kind of expected it to be easy to acquire an official part but they told me to look on ebay. The Chinese one works fine though.

That's nuts. Is that the official policy? Here in Norway, a laptop would have a 5 year "reklamasjon" (not 100% sure what that translates to in English). Perhaps "forced warranty" would be my best translation. It basically means that the product is expected to last for at least 5 years, and if it doesn't - the seller has to fix it, or give you your money back.

Some products have a 2 year "reklamasjon" while others have 5; it's sometimes a bit surprising which products get 2 and 5 years. Cellphones have 5 for instance, which seems strange given their (ab)use. Companies cannot opt out of this.

Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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The corner cutting seems to have started the moment IBM sold ThinkPad to Lenovo. The fact that ThinkPad used to sell laptop keyboards for desktop use, says it all: http://www.notebookreview.com/picture/?f=48072 It didn't take more than a couple of years before Lenovo discontinued this gem either; in favor of a cheaper alternative (in terms of production cost).

Everyone knew this was going to happen as soon as the sale was announced. Say what you want about IBM, for decades it was a company run by and for engineers, which meant that things like quality and tolerances were important product requirements, and they sold it to an entity essentially created to do acquisitions of IBM IP based out of China so it could be manufactured more cheaply. Lenovo did exactly what every exp…

> Everyone knew this was going to happen as soon as the sale was announced.

At least I feared this would happen; sad to see how it all went downhill.

To be honest I think the brand still sells products based on that feeling you got when you bought a ThinkPad 15-20 years ago. It was so sturdy, so nice to type on; everything just felt so solid. That is certainly why I've stayed loyal to that brand.

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"upgrading the display, CPU, disk, RAM, fan, battery it's a bit click-baity to say you've gone back to a 2012 ThinkPad - but interesting read non the less." That's the good part - it's possible, and it's serviceable. My spouse uses a 10y (almost 11y) laptop, it has pretty much everything changed & upgraded. CPU, RAM, keyboard, CD->SSD, HDD->SSD, battery, fan, wifi 801.1 b/g -> ac+bluetooth. The discrete GPU is not re…

Might just be the current supply chain woes but I have a relatively recent X1 Yoga (Gen 1) and the fan went out. Had to buy a Chinese one on ebay to replace it since Lenovo did not have the part anymore. I kind of expected it to be easy to acquire an official part but they told me to look on ebay. The Chinese one works fine though.

nothing wrong w/ the off-shore ones (with regard to fans), they are likely the OEM anyways.

Although I'd think you had replaced the entire cooling solution, heatpipes and all.

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It looks like this is basically a serial benchmark, so yeah of course the higher raw clock speed will win out. The run is also less than a minute, so most laptops will happily burst for that long, however what happens if you throw a 5/10/15 minute compile at it? > Does It Scale Well With Increasing Cores? > No, based on the automated analysis of the collected public benchmark data, this test / test settings does not…

One interesting thing would be to know how much of the performance improvement in some of the compile tests is due to the high-bandwidth memory interface on the M1 chip. Since the M1 chip has both different cores AND a quintuple memory bandwidth compared to Ryzen's/Threadripper's off-chip memory, if you consider things like cache misses, one has to wonder what's the contribution of both to the performance increases.

Completely agree, and I don't have an answer to that. However, all of that goes out the window if your macbook starts throttling. I don't doubt that an m1 chip with adequate cooling will outperform an x86 one, but at that point you're not on a laptop anymore

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Well of course you fixed your arch install in a matter of an hour, you're a Haskell developer.

Anecdote: I use Manjaro on my home server and on a laptop and it's rock-solid. Not sure why people look down on Arch, I only had good experiences and I'm very far from a seasoned sysadmin.

People look down on Arch because the stability story is catastrophic, and Arch users deny that because they have low standards:

Parent was surprised that "Somehow the upgrade didn't completely hose everything" after only 2 years of no updates. It "just" took them "an hour of babysitting it" through cyclic dependency headaches. Child comments proudly proclaim "only seen a handful of actual breakages" (since 2016) and "on the of easiest distros to fix when things go wrong".

Compare to my dad's laptop, which has been running Debian for about a decade and often goes multi-year stretches without updates, and has never broken. Not once. That's the kind of performance I expect from an OS.

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The upgrades aren’t even substantial. The CPU, RAM, and fan are all original parts. You could’ve ordered this exact configuration from Lenovo. The only deviation from stock is the AC WiFi upgrade. I daily drive a T530, it was max spec already so I haven’t changed anything. It has more than enough power to do software dev.

I see you also follow my rule: When buying a laptop, always buy top spec. My laptop is an OG X1 Carbon i7/8/256. I can't upgrade it easily, but I'm actually happy with it for my purposes. My main driver is a Ryzen desktop though, that's a proper beast.

Same. I used a maxxed out Vaio for about 8 years and really the only reason I got a new x1 carbon in 2017 was because the lack of usb 3 (let alone c) was becoming a problem.

I still love that machine. One thing I dearly miss is the real docking station, no usbc cable. That was under $3k that lasted for 8 years.

I don't know how much I'd pay for lesser machines or how often, but I can't believe this math doesn't work out.

Subsequently, the x1 carbon is still perfect but I just had to get a Framework when they came out just on principle, even though that 2017 x1c is still a pleasure to use and I'd happily use it for several more years.

Get the good one, max it out, use it for at least 5 years, enjoy life all day every day instead of being perpetually annoyed.

Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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There are exactly 220 comments on here as I write this one. On a post about ThinkPads, this makes me happy.

Self Selecting though; it would be surprising if nerdy sites like HN "didn't" have love for the nerdy Thinkpads

I suspect you missed my point (if you didn’t, I apologise).

I was not merely pointing out the volume of comments.

Instead I was embracing the joyful timing coincidence of 220 comments, in reference to one of the most iconic ThinkPads ever made - the x220.

Re: I went back to using a ThinkPad from 2012

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Self Selecting though; it would be surprising if nerdy sites like HN "didn't" have love for the nerdy Thinkpads

I suspect you missed my point (if you didn’t, I apologise). I was not merely pointing out the volume of comments. Instead I was embracing the joyful timing coincidence of 220 comments, in reference to one of the most iconic ThinkPads ever made - the x220.

Ah yes, I missed that, sorry

Also, my 230 is better ;p

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