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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by tootie »

Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

I will always prefer WFH for a critically important reason no one else seems willing to mention. I get to use my own bathroom. Sitting in a stall next to someone noisy is my daily hell. The worst is if the seat is still warm. I think may have actually avoided using a public restroom for 15 straight months.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by door101 »

swiley wrote: post #182
dm8 wrote: post #65

I maybe in the minority in this comments section but I genuinely enjoy working from office. I enjoy the social aspects. And commute never bothered me, albeit max commute for me was 45 mins (in the bay area). The only downside that I always felt was parking situation. Lot of my friends feel the same about office work. I believe going forward there will be companies (and employees) in 2 camps -- remote first and hybrid…

45 minutes means an hour and a half of your life every day that you don't get paid for and have to just throw away. (not only that but spending it doing one of the more dangerous things you can do in the US: driving.) That combined with the ridiculous housing costs in the bay area makes me wonder why anyone (especially more numerate people) would tolerate not working remotely.

> 45 minutes means an hour and a half of your life every day that you don't get paid for and have to just throw away. (not only that but spending it doing one of the more dangerous things you can do in the US: driving.)

I've never found commuting to be "thrown away", but I've never commuted by car. I can read, listen to a podcast, or just people watch on the train. Or when biking/walking to work, I get some exercise. Seems to me the problem isn't commuting, but car commuting.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by lolgatekeeping »

max46 wrote: post #393
ashtonkem wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My coworkers are great, but do you know who is better? My family and friends.

then get a job that requires less hours and/or less transit. Don't try to work at a place that requires a very high dedication with a lot of hours and then use wfh as a way to lie to you boss to spend more time with your kids when you are supposed to work.

God people enjoy their wife/husband and kids.......... THE HORROR. Way to gate keep people's preferences. I don't lie to my coworkers when I say I want to be home by 7 to put my child to bed. You are delusional if you think that is abnormal.

Also people can work wherever the frack (had to change to not offend the SF crowd) they please. You are correlating high dedication with high output which absolutely not the case quantitatively speaking.

Gatekeep harder please...

(lol flagged for a naughty word, sorry it hurt the tendies)

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by Izkata »

wikibob wrote: post #400
gnicholas wrote: post #282

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The food/drink part could be the most of it. A Google employee enjoying free food and drink could save $60/day versus buying prepared food ($10 for breakfast, $20 for lunch, and $30 for dinner). If you drink much coffee or other beverages, that could be another $15/day. If you weigh this against spending an extra hour or two commuting, then it looks like a lousy bargain. But if you are like many people, and ended up…

Jesus Christ. I eat well and spend maybe $400 a month on groceries and food. I’ve heard that Google recruiters attempt to con potential employees into some ridiculous assessment of the “free” food as a compensation benefit with numbers like those that you posited above. I can’t imagine valuing daily meals that highly.

Likewise here, I'm floating around $300-350/month at the store, and that includes non-food consumables like tissues and cleaning supplies.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by pjerem »

max46 wrote: post #393
ashtonkem wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My coworkers are great, but do you know who is better? My family and friends.

then get a job that requires less hours and/or less transit. Don't try to work at a place that requires a very high dedication with a lot of hours and then use wfh as a way to lie to you boss to spend more time with your kids when you are supposed to work.

That’s not what GP implied.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by deanCommie »

heavyset_go wrote: post #190
Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

> I save money by spending less on food, drinks, and electricity. For those of us who have to commute, it's not exactly the norm to be saving money while commuting. Commutes are responsible for a 10% drop in hourly wages[1], and the median commute time results in spending 10 full days commuting a year. The average commuter in one of the largest metro areas in the country will spend over 13 full days commuting a year:…

You don't have to commute. You chose to commute.

You maybe did it for a larger house. Or maybe for cheaper rent/mortgage.

We're not talking here about folks on minimum wage who can only afford to live 2 hours outside of the city they are working in.

The highly paid software engineers on hackernews could absolutely afford to live 5 minutes from the office, 30 minutes from the office, or 2 hours from the office.

They could afford to move to a city with good transit where they can only afford an apartment, or to a city with no transit where they can afford a giant mansion.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by ryanSrich »

Well that was fast. I’m not sure what I expected.

SV companies and their investors have been actively working to suppress remote work for as long as I can remember. So this move makes sense in theory.

I’ll be curious to see how much turnover this causes. I can’t name a single person I know that ever wants to go back to an office.

I see many comments here waxing about the virtues of forced commute and force colocated work, but it seems more like a cope for personal issues. If you’re relying on your work for friends, social interaction, preventing yourself from distractions, etc. then it sounds like you have personal issues. Issues unrelated to remote work.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by gmadsen »

gnicholas wrote: post #282
heavyset_go wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I save money by spending less on food, drinks, and electricity. For those of us who have to commute, it's not exactly the norm to be saving money while commuting. Commutes are responsible for a 10% drop in hourly wages[1], and the median commute time results in spending 10 full days commuting a year. The average commuter in one of the largest metro areas in the country will spend over 13 full days commuting a year:…

The food/drink part could be the most of it. A Google employee enjoying free food and drink could save $60/day versus buying prepared food ($10 for breakfast, $20 for lunch, and $30 for dinner). If you drink much coffee or other beverages, that could be another $15/day. If you weigh this against spending an extra hour or two commuting, then it looks like a lousy bargain. But if you are like many people, and ended up…

I save a huge amount on food wfh. Working somewhere without free food, I would buy prepared food every day.

From home, I whip something up from my kitchen every day

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by ryanSrich »

Elora wrote: post #303

Some here are being honest, so I'll be brutally honest: Covid has upset the master-slave relationship, and they're realizing they're giving up too much control. Yes, even the supposedly forward-thinking, progressive tech world. It's so much easier to ignore the BS of "company culture," "a new family" and other such nonsense when working remote. Plenty of people here have outright stated they work as a way to fund the…

100%. A lot of the people here commenting that they like forced in person work don’t realize they’re indoctrinated.
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