Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

Post by l0c0b0x » Thu, May 06, 2021, 8:07 PM UTC

petee wrote: post #384

l0c0b0x wrote: post #178

I think the scale of the 'Exposure' does matter here (please don't just downvote, hear me out). Exposure = Advertisement, right? Wouldn't you pay for advertisement? Now, if you invest very little for advertisement, you might get very little in return. Say, your investment is doing a free 'exposure' gig for a return of 20-30 potential customers. This might not be equitable to your time/equipment/team/etc. Now, in the…

Exposure doesn't work when you realize you've signed a contract saying you can't advertise that you worked on this TV show. The only exposure you'll get is that the production now knows you're a sucker to call again. Do people really think the show will let the photographer blast their pictures with "Joes photography did this" all over the internet? Best you'll be able to do is tell your friends verbally.

Post by irrational » Thu, May 06, 2021, 9:53 PM UTC

Y-bar wrote: post #331

irrational wrote: post #313

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I would like to see some statistics on how many interneships are actually unpaid. Does it vary by industry? In the before times, when we worked on campus and had interns, ours were paid the same as full time employees and had paid for housing and benefits.

A couple of years ago numbers were in the 500k to 1M per year: https://greenlining.org/blog-category/2020/unpaid-internship...

Post by petee » Fri, May 07, 2021, 10:06 AM UTC

walkon wrote: post #407

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If you offer someone with the expectation they can't say no, that is in fact predatory. Many of these people have been loongg without work, I doubt they didn't expect people to bite thinking this is their big Hollywood break. I can offer a bum $1000 to stab a guy for YouTube, but if he happens to say no and walks away, that's not predatory? I know it's a stretch, but that is the core argument you are making

> If you offer someone with the expectation they can't say no, that is in fact predatory. In the absence of coercion or fraud, the offering party's expectations are irrelevant.

Post by jf22 » Fri, May 07, 2021, 11:09 AM UTC

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You don't know of any person in a service trade that did promo work to build their portfolio? I know auto mechanics, actors, hair people, nail people, home inspectors, photographers, and cooks who have done free work for free promotions. Some people hate on the concept but it's how people get their start in an industry.

If you think the idea that people will stop valuing things they can get for free and refuse to pay for them is far fetched, I encourage you to see how your hometown newspaper is doing.

Post by akshaybhalotia » Fri, May 07, 2021, 2:53 PM UTC

tpmx wrote: post #377

jsdwarf wrote: post #312

To all the folks who would do it "for the exposure": my partner volunteered as a graphic designer for a well-known European charity event that featured a former US president, known music groups and fashion designers as pro bono acts and had a live TV broadcast. She really liked to volunteer and we received free tickets for said event and definitely enjoyed it. She added the project to her CV, but unfortunately it had…

You're saying she should have made money from this charity event she volunteered for? Or just avoided it, because she didn't get any meaningful "exposure" out of it? For the second time in this posting, as a (northern) European I'm quite puzzled about all of this. I think we may have wildly differing thoughts about what concepts like "volunteering" and "charity" mean.