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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by cosmodisk »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

Being an administrator/moderator is a big responsibly. Sure, if it's a small time forum, maybe nothing really bad would happen if someone gets banned,well you know, because you wanted that way. However, different platforms can have a detrimental impact on ones life, including employment, status in the society and so on. The worst part? You don't start measuring the throne of power immediately, you gradually descend into it. You start normalizing things you couldn't just a few months ago. I know from my own work that ultimate access and control of everything can poison most. You get these little challenges every now and then and you get tested, and eventually, depending on one's nature, you either say 'screw this,I'm not doing it' or you become a despot.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by gh-throw »

bilbo0s wrote: post #392
devit wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most cases there are multiple employers for any job who pay similar wages so one can go work for some other employer if one fires them. But in the Twitch, YouTube, Amazon, etc. cases there is no other platform that pays the same.

But in the Twitch, YouTube, Amazon, etc. cases there is no other platform that pays the same. Did you not just enumerate 3 different organizations in your comment?

For three different “jobs”, though.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by _qwfv »

anchpop wrote: post #364
_qwfv wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, Destiny describes himself as a "classical liberal", "hardcore capitalist", and "rule utilitarian." It's important to be specific, because the word "liberal" means different things in different contexts, and it is not always the same meaning as "progressive" or "leftist". > he is expressing exacerbation that law enforcement is allowing chaos from one particular political faction. You might read that from his co…

> First, Destiny describes himself as a "classical liberal", "hardcore capitalist", and "rule utilitarian." It's important to be specific, because the word "liberal" means different things in different contexts, and it is not always the same meaning as "progressive" or "leftist". None of the things you mentioned are incompatible with the group Americans call “liberal”. He also describes himself as a social democrat.…

Thanks for the additional context.

> None of the things you mentioned are incompatible with the group Americans call “liberal”.

Disagree. In some contexts leftist and liberal are distinct and incompatible things. In American politics, liberal often means 'progressive', but 'classical liberal' is typically associated with libertarianism. That's not to say a classical liberal cannot hold progressive beliefs, but it certainly does not imply they hold progressive beliefs.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by _jal »

CBLT wrote: post #352
newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

To add a little extra context to what other people are giving you: large, million-dollar digital tournaments stream on Twitch because they have no other choice if they want to reach viewers. ESL signed a deal with Facebook streaming that destroyed their viewership numbers because people go to Twitch to watch, not the website for the tournament. Organizers have clearly seen this and will not move their stream to anoth…

> a Twitch ban is effectively a ban on all opportunities that involve money in the esports scene.

I suggest you ask Colin Kaepernick about how it is in the non-'E' sports world.

(Edit: misspelled name)

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by kodah »

TameAntelope wrote: post #339
kodah wrote: post #253

I had to type in this box more times than I'm willing to admit to produce something that didn't violate the guidelines. Let's examine why this is problematic: - This will absolutely be leveraged on anyone in a precarious position. It's their ultimate out. Minority groups, majority groups, it doesn't matter - you're in trouble and need a platform to tell your story? Not happening on Twitch. Expect more to sign on to t…

I think it's an interesting consequence of accountability, that the people being held accountable tend to vocally dislike being held accountable, but don't want to say so for some reason. It'd honestly be pretty refreshing for a leader to come out and say, "I don't think my actions should be held against me like your actions should be held against you because I'm special/different." Insane, but refreshingly honest. F…

I think people generally mention accountability when it suits them, specifically when it suits their group morals.

Accountability to me is that the government teaches them a lesson, some company doesn't need to jump in line to punish them for me to feel satiated -- that job is done by the government. Moral communities are just that though, tiny groups that would like to exercise their power and worldliness on others in pursuit of their utopian society free from democracy and government oversight. Having come from a repressive religion, I have no argument against why this paradigm is flawed, but maybe it takes the eyes of someone who has lived that to see it.

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Post by smoe »

rootusrootus wrote: post #368
omgwtfbbq wrote: post #359

>How different is that from at-will employment though? You can be fired at any time and for more or less any non-federally-protected reason (and can quit any time too). That seems pretty uncontroversial in the US at least. Most Europeans would be horrified by this concept so I'm not sure it supports your argument.

> Most Europeans would be horrified by this concept But they'd be really happy to earn the same level of income.

I don’t think that the people most affected by at-will employment necessarily earn more in the US

Just one a bit dated example I could find quickly. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-01-09/which-cou...

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Post by hallway_monitor »

chrisco255 wrote: post #187
tw04 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How can we, as a society, claim to value free speech, yet allow social discourse platforms to censor and silence political enemies? Quite easily. Freedom of speech is freedom from government suppression of that speech - it's quite clear in the constitution. Freedom of speech doesn't mean I or anyone else has to give you a platform to speak from.

And antitrust laws are designed precisely to prevent corporations from monopolizing and abusing market position. Freedom of speech means I have the right to hear from people I choose to assemble with. Monopolies dominating the market for speech and then dictating the terms of speech is an antitrust situation. Not least of which because by the same mechanisms they can use to silence political opponents they can use to…

This is a well-reasoned response. The comparison to the tenant / landlord relationship is excellent.

It seems that breaking up monopolies as in the past is not viable with tech empires like Twitter / FB, therefore some type of regulation in this area is where the focus needs to be, and I say this as someone who usually takes the libertarian position.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by mdoms »

Pfhreak wrote: post #135
Areibman wrote: post #66

It's strange to see a company that once prided itself on active engagement with its users to find product-market fit antagonize its content creators so much. And as a user, it gives me the perception that the platform is just plainly unfair. (Plus the platform is unusable without Adblock). Top streamers have been banned or lost partnerships for playing their own music[0], stating controversial political opinions[1][2…

To be clear, the controversial political opinions you believe should be platformed by Twitch are: "If that means white redneck militia dudes mowing down dipshit protesters that think they can torch buildings at 10 PM, at this point they have my fucking blessing." and "America Deserved 9/11"? Because those are the literal quotes from things that got people pulled from Twitch and you've labelled "controversial politica…

Well, yes, these are controversial opinions. If they make you feel uncomfortable, that's fine - controversy does that. If you think anything that makes you feel uncomfortable should be illegal to say, then maybe you just don't care about free speech.

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Post by bilbo0s »

gh-throw wrote: post #412
bilbo0s wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But in the Twitch, YouTube, Amazon, etc. cases there is no other platform that pays the same. Did you not just enumerate 3 different organizations in your comment?

For three different “jobs”, though.

I don't know man?

Do "Twitch Streamer" and "YouTube Streamer" really constitute different "jobs"?

(I mean, to the extent that they are "jobs" at all, I consider them the same "job".)

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Post by anamexis »

_jal wrote: post #414
CBLT wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add a little extra context to what other people are giving you: large, million-dollar digital tournaments stream on Twitch because they have no other choice if they want to reach viewers. ESL signed a deal with Facebook streaming that destroyed their viewership numbers because people go to Twitch to watch, not the website for the tournament. Organizers have clearly seen this and will not move their stream to anoth…

> a Twitch ban is effectively a ban on all opportunities that involve money in the esports scene. I suggest you ask Colin Kaepernick about how it is in the non-'E' sports world. (Edit: misspelled name)

I assume you mean Colin Kaepernick.
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