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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by adzzzz »

Bud wrote: post #34
redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

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There was no "red scare". Joe McCarthy was simply holding Communists accountable for their beliefs.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by ta20210405 »

Bud wrote: post #34
redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by pumaontheprowl »

voldacar wrote: post #28

The infantile hyper-moralization of online discourse, on social media but also elsewhere, is starting to get really, really tiring. Is there any solution other than total anonymity, keeping one's online and IRL personae hermetically sealed off from one another? What do you all think? Is this atmosphere here to stay or do you expect the winds of culture to shift anytime soon?

I don't think the general public is anywhere close to understanding the full value of being able to control discourse on large platforms like this. We will likely continue to see a trend towards tighter control of speech as political activists realize that they can have greater impact by silencing their opposition on social media than they can by protesting in their local city center.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by ipaddr »

benja123 wrote: post #61

I have a hard time with this. Don’t get me wrong overall I am for banning terrorists, pedophiles etc. from services like twitch, but, it needs to be done in a smart way. The concerns I have around this is that 1. It’s not clear where you draw the line of what counts as severe misconduct 2. What happens if someone did something that counts as severe misconduct five years ago and today they are a completely different p…

#3 is the interesting outcome. Many valid and not valid complaints will be made. Twitch will pick favourites and ban. Things will be unfair. Good people will leave and unwanted people will find a way to stay under new names. Revenge clans will be organized. Sounds ugly.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by BitwiseFool »

TameAntelope wrote: post #44
dimgl wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with this sentiment is that while some things are blatantly racist, there are other things that aren't so black and white. This is one of those slippery slopes where if left unchecked, anything and everything will be considered racist. Also, you don't have to have good morals or even be intelligent to be good at your job. Some people are fantastic at their job, but are pretty damn "stupid" as you put it.

Isn't this slippery slope argument technically a logical fallacy? Wouldn't we just not accept the unacceptable change?

Slippery Slope is not necessarily a fallacy because it's a very real phenomenon. My test is examining the "slippery slope" by asking if it instead "establishes a precedent". And then I see how easy it might be to justify going further down such a path based on past justifications.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by tw04 »

Alupis wrote: post #142
tw04 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you want the government to force private companies to continue doing business with someone they no longer wish to provide services to? We aren't talking protected class here, we're talking private companies picking and choosing who to do business with via non-discriminatory means. That's called a free market. Will they be restored if they're proven innocent? Maybe. Maybe not. Again, that's called a free market.

At a certain point, these platforms have such enormous, unprecedented influence and control over public discourse, that they aught to be thought of differently than, say a restaurant refusing service to a guy without a shirt or shoes on. We're clearly in uncharted territory, when it comes to the control and release of information. Just using Twitter and Facebook for example - they've silenced the second-most voted fo…

>How can we, as a society, claim to value free speech, yet allow social discourse platforms to censor and silence political enemies?

Quite easily. Freedom of speech is freedom from government suppression of that speech - it's quite clear in the constitution. Freedom of speech doesn't mean I or anyone else has to give you a platform to speak from.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by mustbedreaming »

mondoshawan wrote: post #130

> "Twitch said it would rely more heavily on law enforcement in “off-service” cases and is partnering with an investigative law firm to support its internal team." So if a user becomes noteworthy, expect to have investigative checks periodically done by the agency? What an insane concept -- this is how we end up with corporate governance and unjust punishment without societal review by fiat , without review by our pe…

Your point about corporate governance being a generally bad thing is valid, but I don’t think this case is anywhere near that.

A “user” and a “streamer” are two different things. Anyone can create an account and be a viewer who consumes content on Twitch. That’s not the same as being a content creator who draws viewers to the platform and implicitly represents the brand.

You can go scream racist nonsense in the town square and then quietly shop at Whole Foods. But if a Whole Foods employee was found screaming racist nonsense in the town square, Whole Foods might fire them for it, and they are well within their rights to do so.

Obligatory “I know streamers aren’t employees.” Their relationship to Twitch is similar enough to that of an employee that the same logic applies.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

We've always been there.

We lock people up pre-trial, sometimes for months if they cannot pay. People lose jobs and have trouble caring for children and so much more while this happens.

You can lose a job if you get arrested. This happens before trial. We (Americans) don't really regulate the folks that do criminal background checks, so that arrest can cost you later too.

Civil forfeiture is legal. Though some places have reined it in, not everywhere requires a guilty verdict in a criminal trial to take your stuff. And as a "bonus", the standards for proof are lower in civil proceedings than they are for criminal ones.

In many areas, you can get fired for any reason, so all it takes is a boss that suspects you of something. Even if they cannot prove it, they can site loss of trust.

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Post by recursivedoubts »

tw04 wrote: post #111
redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

So you want the government to force private companies to continue doing business with someone they no longer wish to provide services to? We aren't talking protected class here, we're talking private companies picking and choosing who to do business with via non-discriminatory means. That's called a free market. Will they be restored if they're proven innocent? Maybe. Maybe not. Again, that's called a free market.

“If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?”
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